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Episode 13: George Matsakis (North Texas)

Interview with George Matsakis

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Manny sat down with his brother, George Matsakis (University of North Texas), at the AFCA Conference in Nashville. They discuss George’s career path and how he got into Football Operations. For coaches wondering about what goes into the administrative side of running a football program, this episode will definitely open your eyes to some of the things that goes into it.

(00:00)- Intro

Manny: This is the Manny Matsakis Show the Manny Matsakis show with me, Manny Matsakis. Where you will gain insight on how to win on the field and optimize your life. This is episode number 13. This interview, done at the AFCA in Nashville, I speak to my brother George Matsakis. It's interesting, number 13 was his number he was in college, playing at Kansas State University, but it just sort of worked out that way. So George has had an outstanding career in college football and athletics. He started out after he was done with his playing career, he started out in the department of video at Kansas State University, and then he transitioned into football operation. He's been very fortunate to be around some fantastic coaches that are Hall of Fame coaches, and he was part of the greatest turnaround in the history of college football in Manhattan, Kansas. Without further ado, let's hear how this interview can help you in operating your program because I’ll tell you, even though he's my brother, I learned a lot just asking the questions and just listening to his expertise.

(01:21)- George Matsakis

Manny: Hey, welcome George, how's everything going?

George: Good. Thank you for having me!

Manny: Yeah, we're excited about it and the thing about George, other than being my brother, you know, I've known him since the day he was born. And he's got a very interesting story I think in this coaching profession. All the people you've been involved with and one of the things I would like to kick this off, is give us how you got involved in athletics, after you got done playing because you played. You were at Kansas Sate.

George: Yes.

Manny: and just sort of take me, take me through your journey, and places you've been.

George: Like you said, played at Kansas State. When I was, when I still had one year of eligibility per se. And so going into that last year. You know I was a backup punter, is what it is. Like I said our punter was Shawn Snyder all American so it wasn't like I was gonna play which I understood he was better than I was. But um, but I knew I wanted to get into college athletics and I was fortunate enough At that time we had a back then they call them administrative assistants, now they're called director of football operations, whatever. And it was Shane Zinger was who it was and, and I got to know him, since you know you are GA with him.

Manny: Yes.

George: Y'all knew each other, and he knew I wanted to get into athletics and he was sort of looking for like a student assistant, someone that would help them do whatever. So I think he went in to see coach Snyder, and said hey, here's a guy who's on scholarship. We could probably get the scholarship back and still pay for his school to finish and all that so and my deal was great for me, I didn't have to go through winter conditioning, summer conditioning, and I was actually being part. So what they did was I started actually working in video. I work for Scott Eyelet who's, that was back in 1992 and Scott’s still the video coordinator there now. And so I was working with Scott doing video. And then when I wasn't doing video I would help Shane with you know, football op stuff.

(03:35)- Video

Manny: Now it's interesting as you say that as we go through this journey you had. The video then is not what it is now.

George: No, it was VHS, or SVHS tapes. You had to bring VCRs with you on the road. You had these big wooden boxes that you'd put all the tapes you know first and 10, second and medium, second and short, Goal line, all the stuff that teams use now, that’s just right on your computer. We each had individual practice tapes. Tuesday middle Drill, Thursday seven on, you know, all these tapes and like one of my jobs and we would go on the road, we set stuff out, always have to set up. Coach Snyder’s suite with a TV/VCR and bring this big black box with all the tapes

Manny: yeah they're basically cut ups

George: They are cut ups. Yeah, but it was on video tape.

Manny: Yeah, so I can remember like after practice and stuff, I'd come back to my office and then sitting outside of my office a stack of tapes that I was responsible to evaluate you know for when we had staff meetings the next day

George: Yup And when you were done with your meeting with your players, I'd have to go to every position coach, collect them because we'd use them for the next day, or you know for the week. What we started doing there is, we had weekly ones, like a certain color. Monday was green, Tuesday, so that way we didn't have to get it back that same day and if the coach didn't get through it-

Manny: Yeah.

George: he could keep it. On every Sunday to start the new week, we would go back and we had.

Manny: Yeah, I remember that, that was crazy. And so, you were doing that. And so you're heavily involved in the video.

George: Yeah I worked that, Scott started me out shooting practice and then eventually I got out of that, then I started doing stuff in the video room, like helping make cut ups, and then also, I would help our graduate assistants, you know they would break down tape and we had the old computer touch screen like in regularly breakdowns. I didn't break the tape down, they would break it down.

Manny: Yeah.

George: But it would be like, you know, second down, left hash, per right, you know, draw play, four three defense. Oh I just remember those, like let's say the offensive GA at the time was Tim Beck.

Manny: Oh okay.

George: And then on the defensive side was actually Brent Venables, that was one of the defenses you saw I knew, so they would come in we would, you know, order pizza, they would watch the tape and I would just be looking at the screen. Second and 10.

Manny: Oh yea just working through all that.

George: So I did that and then ended up doing that. Like I said for three/four seasons. I got stuck doing a little bit of both, and after the first year there, Dr. Zinger left. He ended up going to actually South Florida with Coach Levitt to get into coaching, and then a new football operations guy came in, you know Bruce Vanderbilt. Who's been the AD at Iowa State and has been around. He, I started helping him too and after about three years there, our offense coordinator at the time, Coach Dimel, he ended up getting the job at Wyoming. And so he asked me to come with him and I was one of the K state guys with him. And I went to Wyoming and as the video coordinator/football ops guy cuz at that level at that time, it was, you know that way, he gave me both jobs so he could pay me a good salary, you know, so I’ve know coach Dimel since I was getting recruited by Kansas State, he was a GA. He picked me up at the airport, as a GA and I was with him from 1988 to 2002. Wyoming, and then I went to Houston with him. He's currently the head coach at Texas El Paso.

Manny: Yeah, exactly, yeah so so you go through that video, and then eventually you get out of video.

(07:10)- Moving with Coach Dimel

George: Yes, I was doing both of them at the University of Wyoming and then after our third season. We were fortunate enough, Coach Dimel ended up getting a job at the University of Houston, which was a step needed professionally and financially, he had the thing so when I got to Houston, he could pay me a very great salary as just the football operations guy. So that's when I did the football operations only, and that's when I got out of the video, because we had a video coordinator, I was, I didn't have to do both like I did at Wyoming.

Manny: Sure. So, at Wyoming, some of the guys from Wyoming went to Houston on the staff. You had some interesting roommates.

George: Yes I did, I lived with Mark Stoops.

Manny: The Head Coach at Kentucky.

George: We lived together at Wyoming for three-, well actually our first year at Wyoming, me and coach Stoops, we actually lived in Coach Dimel’s basement.

Manny: Oh okay.

George: So yeah and then after one season our head coach, yes we lived with him. And then after one year Mark ended up buying a house and I just moved in with him. We lived together there for two years and then when Coach Dimel left to get the job done at the University of Houston like I said, some of the coaches went down, some stayed and one got promoted within. You know you went to Lubbock with Coach Leach, you know, we all, you know, everyone went their ways. So when we got to Houston, Mark bought a house again. And it worked out good because I paid him. He gave me cheap rent but it helped with his mortgage at the time it wasn't like he was making money like he’s making now. So I lived wih him and then we had another guy who was our GA. DJ Eliot. He's currently the defense coordinator at the University of Kansas. And then we had Travis Pride, who was our receivers coach. He's currently a head high school coach in the state of Texas.

Manny: Yeah, okay. So you do this thing at Houston.

George: Yes.

Manny: and then you get an opportunity to sort of your, your in that K-State family, the whole time.

George: Yes.

(09:10)- Kansas U

Manny: And then a big time hire, ultimately maybe the best hire they've had at the University of Kansas, Mark Mangino.

George: Yes.

Manny: And so how’d you get that?

George: So what had happened was that Coach Mangino was at Oklahoma, University of Oklahoma and then he ends up taking the University of Kansas head coach football job. And I was at… You know I've told other people and they noticed, I was in Houston, I loved Houston, It was great. And Coach Dimel was one of my closest people besides being a very good friend of mine, I knew him like I said I was working for him from 1988 to… for 14 straight football seasons. We were together. I mean I was a player, he was a GA, he was a coach, and an ally to me. So then he took me to Wyoming. Living in Houston at the time. It's what people's perception of Kansas football is now, it wasn't very good.

Manny: No.

George: You know, besides coach Mangino, Glen Mason was the only coach that had some success there. So it wasn't like it was a slam dunk deal because coach Dimel was paying me pretty good. But it’s never about the money. But you know I'm single, but you know I’m living in Houston, Texas and it’s not a bad gig.

Manny: Yeah.

George: Not a bad gig and so it was up and up and you know Mark just left to go to the University of Miami.

Manny: Oh with the Hurricanes, yeah.


So he was gonna be with the Hurricanes. He was leaving so he was gonna sell the house and I was just gonna, I could move downtown and get a condo with Travis and all that. And I was gonna stay. I mean I know people were like Kansas? But you know, I was at Kansas State so my perception of Kansas was, well we beat them all the time.

Manny: Yeah all the time.

George: It wasn't even close you know, once a coach got it rolling. I mean, it got, it was very lopsided, but I remember I was talking to Mark and you know I was like, yeah this and this and actually coach Stoops who at some convention, Ican’t remember where it was. He's like, what are you doing? He said hey, I know you know, Dana real well.

Manny: Coach Stoops?

George: Bob.

Manny: Oh, Bob. Okay.

George: He's like, you got to go with Coach Mangino. I mean it’s the big 12, you just gotta do it. So I mean he sorta.

Manny: Yeah.

George: So I said alright coach. I mean, you know he sort of said you know there's really not that complicated, I'm just trying to help you out. You need to jump to the big 12. So I was fortunate enough knowing Coach Mangino. You know, because I knew him because when I was at Kansas State, my last two years playing he was a GA.

Manny: That's right.

George: He was still running backs coach, recruiting coordinator, O-line coach. You know, so I knew him from then and it was, you know, he was one of them. I knew the K state, Coach Snyder way. So he hired me, his ops position at the University of Kansas in December of 2001

Manny: 2001.

George: Yeah.

Manny: and you stayed till how long?

George: I was there with him, for coach Mangino from the 2002 season, through the 2009 season, and then when he was let go, they hired coach Gill. Turner Gill, and I was fortunate enoug that Coach Gill kept me.

Manny: Okay.

George: So I worked for Coach Gill for the two years there. And then, um he was let go, and then he brought in coach Weis. And Coach Weis kept me. I was fortunate enough. I worked for Coach Weis for a couple years and then he was getting let go. And then, then they hired David Beaty as the head coach, and I knew David from before because he was on my team. But during that time how things turn around. They hired Dr. Zinger, Shane Zinger who got me in the business as our AD.. So he's the one that got me into administration. So I went and I got into administration with him, still with football but just not as much dealing with the day to day stuff, but I would help Dr Zinger, just I figured this would be my opportunity to try the administrative side. So I did that for a couple years and then I sort of missed it, whatever. And then I got out of the administration and I was fortunate enough, I got on at the University of North Texas. As the football operations director there for Seth Luttrell, who I knew Seth because he played for Coach Stoops at OU. Remember that but he was our GA, and then he was our recruiting coordinator at Kansas. Our first two years with Coach Mangino. So I’ve known Seth for a long time so he had an opportunity there, he called me and it's my way to get back in. Someone who I knew yeah so Seth called me and within about two weeks we moved to Denton, Texas and I’ve been there two seasons now.

(13:31)- Administrative Side of football

Manny: Yeah, yeah, and it is it's fascinating and I think what a lot of people out there watching and listening to this podcast can really understand your path but it's like you've been extremely loyal in a few different places to certain people, that's, I mean that as been your M.O.where some people just jump around, you know, and that's what they choose to do and neither is correct, it's just that's just been the way that you do it. And, you know, so you've made some really good friends and relationships with people. And I think it sets you up as somebody that can do a lot of things to help a football program, you know and you also understand the administrative side.

George: Yes, because you know I think most football coaches, head coaches, they don't see that side, a lot of them I think perceptionally sometimes think, I know the guy hired you and all that but once there's a little riff. They think it's him against us, but it never is. I mean, I see what they think. And I think that's the thing I am a good signing boy. Okay, I've been on. I know what to think and a coach listens.

Manny: Yeah.

George: You know, this is the reason they're doing this. It's not gonna affect you, to doing it because they kind of see what's special about the athletic department, you know like, quick examples like when they change the perception when it comes to like how they give out per diem or mileage in recruiting. Well they’re worried about, I hate to say it but they’reworried about all the others, olympic sports, all those other sports. And they put a policy in, but is football gonna follow it?

Manny: Yeah,

George: They probably won't, but as the AD you need to do it because that's what's best for everyone.

Manny: Gotcha.

George: Yeah, but just I see that side of it and then when it comes to hiring and coaches sayinh I want to hire a guy. I want to bring him in tomorrow. They don't understand, it’s like listen, there's things that have to come up from the other side of campus, they got to do background checks, most coaches I want to hire, boom, whatever. And some coaches will say, well I Remember, so and so, they hired him in two days. No, you were an assistant coach, you didn't know what was going on before, believe me they told someone to start the background check.

Manny: Yeah.

George: you know, and every school is different, the way they do.

Manny: Sure.

George: Yeah, and I think that's the thing I bring in. I think I see both sides of it. And I’m fortunate I know a lot of different people, and I ask a lot of questions with what they do at a lot of schools.

Manny: Yeah, it is interesting and I know for a fact that you've gotten calls from guys I've worked with, friends, you know like Leach will call you and say hey, how’d they do this here? Or when Dana Holgorsen was at West Virginia he'd be calling you and trying to figure out, oh this is what you guys do, this is what you know.

George: Yes.

Manny: Because you know you've got a lot of friends in the industry

George: Like when Holgerson, or Dana got to West Virginia, they just joined the Big 12

Manny: Yeah, exactly.

George: So you know they left the Big East, they join the Big 12, and he was just calling me and saying okay, how many strength coaches do you have, and I told him and then he's like, they didn't understand the kind of support they need out of West Virginia, because they were in the Big East being successful. So they saw what you're doing. They didn’t understand, you know, having a couple operations guys, or recruiting departments, you know strength coaches who directly did only football, you know, and all like one of his I remember and I’ll never forget like he was football he did Golf.

Manny: What?

George: One of his assistants.

Manny: Oh, the strength coach?

George: At West Virginia. He had a secondary sport, and then he was checking salaries out and he's like, you know, just, they didn't understand at the time that hey, they just jumped to the Big 12 and he knew from a little bit from being attacked and all this, so you know I know a lot of those guys who, you know, when they ask things and you know Mark, the University of Kentucky, you know, even though it's different, it’s SEC but just certain things you'd be like, you know how many were recruiting. Oh, he'll call or not like I get a lot of people call, just asking how, what did they do there. How do you do things there?

Manny: Well it's important cuz you're always trying to close the gap right?

George: Yes.

Manny: And I can remember the first years when I was in Lubbock with Mike and we were trying to figure out, okay we're in this conference, he was only in Oklahoma one season then he got the job you know, and he's like okay we got to figure out what Nebraska has what Texas has and then when we found that we're like, oh boy, this, this, it's just not the same.

George: No.

Manny: So you had to find ways to be creative. And, you know, to close the gap and pass some of them by which we did. And I think that's sort of an M.O, you know of somebody that can turn around a program, which is important and you know you're fortunate because your very first entry into the position, you're with the guy that had the greatest turnaround in history college football.

(18:18)- Greatest Turnaround in college football

George: No doubt. Best coach in college football. That’s what people don't get and he did it twice. That’s what I tell people. Yeah, I saw it, and that’s nothing. I saw that there, and what he did. Even though I was a player I didn't know all the data but then I worked there, you know, as a student assistant as a GA type guy, you know I sort of understood that. And then, you know, like I said when I first got there I remember, I happened to be, I was recruited by coach Parish, Dan Parish. That's right. And after six months there they fired him after the fourth game of the season. And then Coach Snyder comes in, and then from that point losing 29 in a row, I remember the last game was the 2000s, excuse me, the 1996 cotton bowl was my last game. So I went from losing 29 to finally leaving to go to Cotton Bowl because Coach Dimel gets the job that day to go to Wyoming. So I was there and then of course I went with Kansas, and we made the Orange Bowl. Yes, Kansas, won the Orange Bowl. People can't believe it's been 12 years ago but I mean so I've been at two different places in the state of Kansas.

Manny: Yeah

George: who people's hasn't been successful in they went from that to BCS championship to a New Year’s Day bowl game with Coach Snyder, so I've seen it done twice.

(20:00)- Bill Snyder

Manny: So you know that you got young coaches, older coaches, you know, all different types of high school, all pro coaches that watch this and listen to it and it's. When you know they think of Bill Snyder. And if you could just elaborate because you've been around him so much and you knew his son really well.

George: yes

Manny: you know Shawn very well. And, you know, what is it about him ? Then your estimation and a lot of people's estimation is as they say the best coach in history college football.

George: I think the thing about coach Snyder is. I just think that his attention to detail with everything from literally A to Z. I mean from, you know, practice schedules to how you're going to travel to, you know what music they play at pre games of football, to how many. The funny joke Pat's of butter, people heard that story on, you know, during the meal like you'd only want 8 Pat's of butter. And if it was more than it would like that ate because you don't want kids you know just everything he did, it was thought out, his attention to detail. And I really believe, every decision, I could be wrong. I mean, I just, the feeling I get, every decision he made hard. He really thought it was the best for the program. May not have been the best for him, his assistant coaches, his players, but for the majority of the group for the team. I think even though I think players might not have liked it. I think some of the coaches I know sometimes didn't agree with it all, but I think every coach who didn't agree with it knew that coach Snyder. He believed it was the best thing so you did it. I mean, like I said, what he did there with players and like I said I was there and nothing against coach Parish or whatever I just, we lost 29 in a row, before I got there. I mean my first year we were 0-11.

Manny: Yeah.

George: You know, we had 12,000 people against Colorado. We couldn't win a game though and then coach Snyder came in his first year we went 1-10. We actually beat North Texas was the only team we beat, on the last play of the game, and. But even though we went 1-10 his first year, we felt we knew we were better. And then the next year. You know, we win five. The next year we win 7 and it just it's just a coach, it's just like every decision, everything he did. He really thought it was best for Kansas State football. I mean everything recruiting. I mean, everything he would want to know it was like he knew about, I don't know if micromanage because he knew everything about everything, within the program.

Manny: Sure,

George: And I think a lot of it was. That's the way I hate to use the word. That's the way he may be wired because I know some people try to be like that and if you're not that, you got to be who you are when you're a coach or head coach, and that’s the way he was and I think everyone knew that's the way it was and they did it because it was the best for the program and

Manny: And it's certainly worked out, two times

George: Yes,

Manny: which is interesting. So, it's interesting though you know all that success, Hall of Fame coach, and then you've obviously we both know Bob. Coach Stoops, and you know he's a Hall of Fame coach in Every estimation-

George: Yeah.

Manny: And there’s no doubt. But he's different, you know, so when you see those two and then you put in the triumvirate there a guy like Mark Mangino. You know, I mean, how, how do you draw like okay they both had, you know, the influence from Coach Snyder.

George: Yes.

Manny: Obviously coach Stoops had some influence from Coach Spurrier. And you know how, what's different about those guys, in and of themselves, when you look at those three types of coaches

George: well I never per se, worked for Coach Stoops. Bob, but I know him through market just-

Manny: Yes.

George: I see him all that. And I just think coach Stoops is who he is.

Manny: Yeah.

George: I mean you know I think he takes some and I've heard, I've read his book he has a book on now, you know, and I really thought about it when he talks about what you just said. He takes some stuff from Hayden Fry, who of course coach Snyder was, you know, he took stuff from Coach Snyder, he took stuff from Coach Spurrier, but he was who he was. So maybe like Coach Snyder with, you know, like the practice the way that discipline part is, maybe that part came. You know what Coach Stoops did, but like the stuff he learned from Coach Spurrier you know, hey being almost, I don’t want to say loose, but you know, having that little attitude you know that you know the success. You know the solid confidence, you know but that's who Coach Stoops is.

Manny: Yeah.

George: I mean like I tell people I remember coach Stoops was at Kansas as the DB coach, till he became the head coach at the University of Oklahoma and won a national championship. Leach with me personally, like, I remember being at a convention, you know, he won the national championship and like you know how everyone wants to be there, and talk to him, he's talking to every other head coach, and this and this and he knows who I am and I remember I was with some other people, and I'm not gonna stop and so whatever, like in front of like all these other people he says George come here. Like, that's the kind of guy coach Stoops is. Like even though he's at the pinnacle. I mean wins the national title, you know, 10 Big10 or 12 titles like he remembered me, he knew me and I knew him but it's like, even with all these other people he like stole you know some people get to that level and like even now I see him, I was at the Kentucky Bowl game two years ago. And me and him are sitting on the eighth bus going to the game, and he's never sat on the eighth bus. So he's sitting there and you know, it just he never changed. And then you know like, Coach Mangino. I'm not saying he was, he was probably more on the side of coach Snyder when it came to like, you know, our preparation, or his attention to detail. You know his hard stern discipline. You know that. You know, I mean we had fun, cuz you know he worked for Coach stoops at Oklahoma.

Manny: Yeah, okay.

George: but it wasn't to like what Oklahoma did and it wasn't to the extreme of how coach Snyder did it. So you know, he showed a little bit of both too. I think you grab something you know but he worked for Coach Tressel.

Manny: That’s right: George: He's worked with some guys so yeah.

Manny: Yeah, fantastic coach in his own way. I mean coach Mangino just really, I mean, I think people in Lawrence, Kansas have figured out how special that time was.

George: I tell people now it's like people forget, you know, doing those last two years, going into his last year before he was let go, they you know we won 20 games in two seasons, and two bowl games, but we won three bowl games in four years.

Manny: And had a few players too right?

George: Oh yes we did. Yeah, yeah, a couple all pros are still playing him 13 years later, yeah.

Manny: Yes That's fascinating.

George: Yeah.

Manny: No, I think that really, I think has given me some great insight you know as you think about how you want to be. And I think what you've mentioned about Bob Stoops, is that you have to be yourself, you know and you know hey his brother Mark isn't him either.

George: No.

Manny: He is in his own way

George: He is because it's funny, ironically, you say that you know I was fortunate I've been to the last few bowl games because our youngest brother’s on Mark’s Staff at Kentucky. And I see Mark. and Mark, you know, he has his, you know i don't, I hate using the word because they're not I know the way it is, but like free spirited as, oh you I mean Mark is more or less. You know everyone's different Mark is Mark, I mean they sit there, they're disciplined, they're tough nosed.

Manny: yeah

George: I mean he just,that’s just how Mark is. He's not trying to be like Bob.

Manny: No, it wouldn't work.

George: It wouldn't work because that's not his deal you know so yeah but you know go back to how fortunate I was and I see it like you know whatever you make you know the old coaching tree you know coach Snyder boom boom, and I'm fortunate that now I work for Coach Seth Lettrell.

Manny: Yeah.

George: He played for Bob Stoops’ national team this, you know his first coaching job was Coach Mangino. So I know you know he went to Lubbock to work for Coach Leach.

Manny: That's right.

George: And then after that he went to Arizona to work for Mike Stoops, that's the third Stoops Of the four and then you got Ron. And then he left there and went to Indiana, to go work with Kevin Wilson.

Manny: That's right.

George: Who coached at Oklahoma.

Manny: For Bob.

George: For Bob. So to me, it's all intertwined. And then, what I've learned was that when Seth left there, he went to North Carolina, really worked for Coach Larry Fedora, which he's not any of that coach Snyder, so now when I came to North Texas. You know I see about 70% of things I see from, you know, Coach Snyder, coach Bob Stoops, you know all these different people but some of the stuff we do, I'm looking at that, when I ask him, you know, I asked and I think it's like, oh, that's what they did with Coach Fedora in North Carolina. You know, Seth, he, like he grabbed something from everybody.

Manny: Yeah, if you're going to give some, I guess, knowledge and information out to young guys that want to get into the operations business. What's the best way to do it?

George: I think the best way is that people can. I think wait when you're finished playing, coaching, and getting your degree whatever. People, you got to start out at the ball I mean, it is everyone it's a cliche, but I mean people don't come in and like you know how much are we going to make or, you know, like, you know, looking for a paid internship, I think you just go in and you start anywhere. And I tell people so when they ask me, I mean, I remember going up on the lift and shooting middle drill.

Manny: Yeah.

George: Like for the first spring I was there, and then you know, just I think you go in and you get it especially in operations, because you deal with so much stuff. You go in, volunteer and you know, and do things, you know, from the ground up. I mean, I remember, you know, running into VISTA in Manhattan, Kansas because coach Snyder loved the chocolate malt, I used to take his Cadillac and give them a chocolate malt every Monday night, and a personal pan pizza from Pizza Hut, off of Morrow Street. I mean I was, one of my jobs and I worked at video and work for Shane and Bruce. Coach Snyder liked snicker bars, microwave, that you know, but it was Coach Snyder but I you know, I drove his Cadillac, and I got to take his car to go get that stuff, but you do whatever and sometimes I'd have to go get lunch, you know whatever, for any coach you just be around so they can trust you, and they get to know you. And then once they trust you and know you, they give you more responsibilities. But I think the other biggest thing and I tell the story is. I think if you want to get into college athletics, in general, football in general, is, and I also tell some because we run into certain players that I think, this guy could be a good coach. And I'm like hey you thinking about coaching or whatever, and in their mind. They're like, yeah, I am but I'm finishing school but I can get a job, and nothing against it but at enterprise. They hire a lot of student athletes. It's a great company. I can go there, make X amount a number of money, this and this and. And then, after a couple years they call back, they want to come in and like, how can I get in as a GA? I want to help, whatever. Well, they just got done making some little bit of money. Now to come back and when you make nothing. It's tough.

Manny: Yeah.

George: so wait when you're like, for me, like when I got done playing, I’ll never forget, I was getting, back then it was a $300 stipend check. I lived in an apartment with Eric Wilford, a South Carolina remember? We lived in a basement in this house and the ceiling was like seven feet tall. I mean, that's where we lived And we paid $90 each in rent. We got $300 so you know whatever. And I remember when I got done you know coaching and started working video, it was, I won’t forget my next check was like 525. I was like the richest, you know, whatever you know I’d rather have all that more money now than now in my pocket. But it was, I never went out and made money was making 25,000, and now going back to that. And then college I usually have to start on the bottom, and we have coaches. No, go to enterprise. I could do this and that. I'm like, you're not making any money now. Get into coach and see if you like it because if you do not, as you heard me say, it's never... It's not about the money but it. I mean, it's nice to have it. Coaches at any level, high school, are starting to now make, they make good money, and it's easy to do when you go and you go work or you work at, you know, juvenile detention, you know, a lot of these entry level jobs, you may quit and I get it and people to do it. But if you really want to get into coaching, because I know a lot of guys come back, man. You know I got caught and wonder if I could do this now. Well you should have. He could have done it, right when you got done playing.

Manny: That's great insight. So those are a lot of the reasons I had you on here for everybody watching and listening to you talk and explain everything and I think that that will help us all as coaches win on the field. And when I come right back I'm gonna close some things out and show us. Give us some tips on how to optimize our life so we can have the success that we want in our career as football coaches but George Thank you very much.

George: Thank you.

Manny: (33:30)- Tips and Reminders

Manny: Now it's time for some tips and reminders, where we wrap up each episode with some information that you can utilize in your approach to optimize your life. I enjoy talking about essential oils and the reason for that is that it gives you some inside natural ways of taking care of your mind and your body, and this oil that I really enjoy is called balance. Balance is a blend made by doTERRA it's called the grounding blend. And it really gives you a sense of grounding stability and I enjoy using this all different time types of the day, first I started using this just as like a beard oil I like the smell of it so much, or maybe as a bit of an aftershave a mix of some sort that just really made you feel pretty good it's a, you know, it's a blend of oils, it's great for emotional well being. I enjoy using it, just literally topically by just applying it. A lot of times on the back of my neck and even inhaling it so that is balance, and the system side if you're into meditation so for this it's one of the top was for meditation, because it's known to help you calm down and focus. And so that is balance. And now I would like to take a moment. Thank you so much for joining me on the show. If you're listening to this podcast, make sure to subscribe to iTunes. Give us a rating and comment on the show. If you're watching this on YouTube. Subscribe to the Manny Matsakis show by hitting the bell in the top corner and make a comment and I'll respond to your comments. If you'd like to get all kinds of updates to what's going on throughout the website. Please subscribe with your emails I have your email, every time we upload something new. First notice Monday's podcast comes out. Wednesday I have the inside access podcast has been going out lately, which I am just testing out to see how you guys like how you like this. And if you like it, I'll keep doing it. And then Friday. This is a video podcast that we put the video up on Friday, just feel free to subscribe with your email on the website. And when you do, you'll actually be able to get the latest report, only out for a short time, longer. It's called fill the stadium. 35 pages. Just hope to see you formula to build the program and fill your stadium capacity. Thank you very much and I'll see you next week.

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