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Episode 2: “Do The Work” By Steven Pressfield

Analysis and Application with Matt Wehrhahn

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The second episode of The Manny Matsakis Show takes a deep dive into Steven Pressfield’s book, “Do the Work.” Manny’s co-host is Matt Wehrhahn, the linebacker’s coach at Defiance College, and together, they work through an analysis and application of this book. “Do the Work” shows you how to complete any type of project from the perspective of writing a book. The insights listeners can apply are profound and worthy of this outstanding read.

Make sure to check out Episode 1 and Episode 3!

Episode 2: "Do The Work" By Steven Pressfield

Summary: This second episode of the Manny Matsakis Show brings on coach Matt Wehrhahn, the linebackers coach at Defiance College who joined the staff at the start of the spring semester. They will be doing the first episode of the Book Analysis portion of the show on Do The Work by Steven Pressfield. Enjoy!


Coach Manny Matsakis: This is the Manny Matsakis show with me, Manny Matsakis where we will gain insight on how to win on the field and optimize your life. This is episode number 2. Today we're gonna do what we're gonna call an analysis and application of a book and in this one in this case the book is called Do The Work by Steven Pressfield.

“So you're planning on grabbing the brass ring. You want to take the next step in your career or take on a major project, there's an enemy. There's an intelligent active malign force working against you. Step one is to recognize this. This recognition alone is enormously powerful. It has saved my life and it will save yours” -Steven Pressfield

That's how this baby kicks off. This is the first of our analysis and application, it's from a book called Do The Work by Steven Pressfield he's also the author of The Legend of Bagger Vance and a couple other books that relate specifically to today's feature and this book is fantastic I want to give you a little bit more insight and then we're going to move ahead and analyze this book a little bit and apply it to coaching football. Now you know as I look at this I just want to read the foreword to you and this will give you an idea.

“ Right there in your driveway is a really fast car, not one of those stupid Hamptons style rich guys showy cars like a Ferrari, but an honest fast car perhaps a Subaru. Subaru WRX and here are the keys now go drive it right there on the runway is a private jet ready to fly. Fly you wherever you want to go. Here's the pilot standing by, go... leave right there in your hand is a Chicago nomadic zero, six fifty-one hammer. You can drive a nail through just about anything you want again and again if you choose. Time to use it and here's a keyboard connected to the entire world here's a publishing platform you can use to interact with just about anyone just about any time for free. You wanted a level playing field, one where you have just as good a shot as anyone else here it is. Do the work.” And this is what this is all about. Doing the work, the title of the book as you can see here is Do The Work by Steven Pressfield and that's the forward to the book


Manny: and I'd like to introduce our linebacker coach here at Defiance College and Matt Wehrhahn is here as we took a look, we did a deep dive into this book together.

Coach Matt Wehrhahn: Yeah we did!


Manny: What’d you think overall? Before we start to crank out some of the lessons learned.

Matt: Honestly I think it can relate to almost anything that you do in life. Just, it made sense. It really kind of hit home with some of the things that I've done in the past projects, I mean career paths, I just I've seen a lot of the things that he talks about in my life looking back on past things that I've been a part of. So it was cool, it hit home, and I'm excited to kind of dig into it.

Manny: Yeah, I mean it's, it's neat because I look at it this way, we on this podcast we come out, and this is episode number two and you know next week we'll have an interview with a somebody in the profession but this is, by being able to analyze and apply different media, sometimes their books, could be video it could be all kinds of different things whatever shows up. I think we have made a decision in running a football program or our lives, and our lives that there's all types of things that you can learn and apply outside of the box.

Mattn: Absolutely

Manny: Right! Yeah you know Steven Pressfield you know I've, I've been a huge fan of his I mean this book, I've read, I think I've read like four or five times now and you know it's a quick pretty lengthy book.

Matt: 90 something pages.

Manny: Yeah!

Matt:: And it's structured so you could read it in one sitting.

Manny: Yeah you can!

Matt: And if you get into it, it really does just keep picking up.


Manny: Yeah and it makes so much sense you know? I mean, basically this book is designed to coach you through a project or any venture from conception to finished project. Seeing it through, what he calls resistance, with a capital “R” it's always in here as resistance and resistance is very interesting because he'll define it here in a bit, but it's like all these things that show up in your life that are pretty much just inside of you.

Matt: Right, and out of your control.

Manny: Yeah!

Matt: And that's it. That was to me, the major thing that there's so many things that resistance can show up as and almost all of them, there's no control over them so.

Manny: Yeah it's interesting and it's like, he writes another book called Turning Pro, which I think will be a great one to do in a future date here on the podcast. But I think that what has been interesting to me is when you take a close look at this book, right and I just, I just want to go back to the book for a second, and he calls this, I would say the characteristics of resistance I you said there's basically you know a few characteristics here that that he is going to lay into and show you that what resistance really is you know and it's just you know it's fascinating to me that the way it all sort of works out you know and I guess here it is. okay first thing up. I get us up to speed on this “Resistance Greatest Hits: The following is a list in no particular order of those activities that most commonly elicit resistance with a capital R the pursuit of any calling in writing, painting, music, film, dance, or any creative art to the launching of any entrepreneurial venture or enterprise 3 any diet or health regimen for any program of spiritual advancement 5 any activity whose aim is the acquisition of a chiseled abs” there we go when you get after that one “any course of program designed to overcome an unwholesome habit or addiction education of every kind any act of political moral or ethical courage including the decision to change for the better some unworthy pattern of thought or conduct in ourselves the undertaking of any enterprise or endeavor whose aim is to help others any act that entails commitment of the heart the decision to get married to have a child to weather a rocky patch in a relationship the taking of any principled stand in the face of adversity in other words any act that rejects immediate gratification in favor of long-term growth health or integrity” hmm now that's resistance.

Matt: Yeah

Manny: I mean that's that's a big part we'll get into the characteristics here in a second but you know what doesn't fit into that

Matt: It's any long-term commitment really whether that's like he said in your love life or your work professional life

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: Or if it's just doing something that you're committing yourself to doing breaking a bad habit losing weight anything like that

Manny: Yeah

Matt: It shows up in any kind of long-term commitment


Manny: It really does show up and I guess the question is how does it show up you know what are these characteristics were talking about here you know one he says here there's basically seven characteristics number one resistance is invisible and you know you obviously want to understand what invisible means but think about it. It's like it's something out there that's messing with you right or as you'll find out here a little bit it's not always out there all right number two it says resistance is insidious all resistance will tell you anything to keep you from doing your work that shows up right you think about how many times that you know it will assume any form and it'll deceive you it'll be like oh I should go take a break and do this I should go down the hall and have a conversation when I should be doing something else right is what starts to show up. the third characteristic is resistance is impersonal it's not going to get out get at you personally it doesn't know who you are and doesn't care resistance is a force of nature you know and and that's really what it is it's like you can't control it because it is a force of nature that operates right number four resistance is infallible in other words it can't screw up right because it's always gonna be doing the right thing according to resistance right and it says here resistance were unfailingly point to true north meaning that calling or action it most wants to stop us from doing it's going to do its best to stop us. rule of thumb he says is the more important a call to action is to our souls evolution the more resistance we will feel toward pursuing it.

Matt: No doubt

Manny: Right yeah you can see that there's all types of things that will that we let show up or we let affect us number five resistance is universal we're wrong if we think were the only ones struggling with resistance everybody watching this and listening to this podcast is struggling with resistance I like this here where he makes a statement goes everyone who has a body experiences resistance that's you me and everybody out there and that's pretty powerful and we need to and we need to see just how it affects us and what we can do right.

Matt: No doubt

Manny: Number six… Resistance Never Sleeps you know he gives an interesting story about Henry Fonda you know and I've actually seen this or Steven Pressfield is interviewed and that he you know Henry Fonda you know tremendous actor over the years and everything and you know even in his even when he was 75 he was still throwing up before stage performance.

Matt: Right yeah you know it never goes away right it's always there didn't it I mean it's crazy

Manny: It's like just being nervous before a game yeah

Matt: You know you still get those butterflies I mean I still feel like a player sometimes

Manny: Oh yeah

Matt: We start going through warmups and everything and-

Manny: Yeah

Matt: I mean you still get that feeling in your gut you know

Manny: And if you don't you've got a wonder if you're numb to the whole thing-

Matt: Right

Manny: Sometimes or you know we put stuff in our head a little bit

Matt: Mm-hmm

Manny: It's crazy that way but you know it's crazy you know that this thing you know resistance doesn't sleep you know it's the warrior and the artist live by the same code of necessity which dictates that the battle must be fought a new every single day and we'll apply this to coaching football in a little bit. The seventh characteristic of resistance is resistance plays for keeps its goal is not to wound or disabled us it is to kill when we fight it we're in a war to the death and that's what's happening either you win or resistance wins

Matt: Yeah

Manny: And every day you gotta get up and fight the good fight and coaching football whatever part of it you're dealing with is a struggle

Matt: For sure

Manny: With resistance

Matt: Yeah

Manny: And you see it I mean it doesn't matter the task but you know we all have a boss per say you know everybody works for somebody in some particular way and it's like we're asked to do something it needs to be done with high quality and it may not be the most exciting thing to do but it fits into the mission of

Matt: Right

Manny: What you're trying to do in the program-

Matt: Without a doubt, and resistance will show

Manny: Yes very much so you notice that right

Matt: Yeah for sure and at the big thing I take away from those characteristics is just how the resistance is fair it's blind that doesn't matter who you are it's gonna show up and no matter what you're doing and you get used to that if you accept that fact then you can take it head-on especially with what we do as coaches I mean there's going to be hiccups along the way with whatever we're doing

Manny: Mmmhmmm

Matt: Losing games or players that don't want to stick it out or you know you need to reach somebody in a different way it all comes back around yeah so

Manny: Yeah there's no question here you know and and after you know these are the things that we call our enemies okay one is resistance the second is something we call rational thought and rational thought is an area that you really have to think through this a little bit because next to resistance rational thought is our worst enemy resistance is number one let's not let's not get anything wrong there but you know bad things happen when we employ rational thought because rational thought comes from the ego this feels like a philosophy class

Matt: Oh yeah right? No that's when I was reading it made a lot of sense and but it does it feels like you're covering a lot of things in this

Manny: Yeah I mean here's how I look at it you know and when we rationalize or we make excuses because you see a lot of that you know you can sort of say oh here's why this happens and so forth and you know it lowers the target to make us feel good

Matt: Right

Manny: And that's what ends up happening we're trying to shoot for this right and oh well we didn't get there because you know we didn't we didn't recruit good enough or maybe this guy had an injury we're making some excuse and that excuse happens we're just settling for less than who we are


Matt: For sure and that's and when I was reading this the rational thought thing came in and my background in the music business was huge for that in my opinion not related to it really well because especially with what I wanted to do I wanted to be a big-time studio engineer

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: And I was shooting for a big goal but then when I started to see that I wasn't getting there as fast as I thought I would rational thought kicked in and said well I can't do this forever I'm not gonna make enough money I need a new mac getting job that pays for some stuff and then I'll come back to it later that's what ended up happening and then later on we'll find out one of those questions

Manny: Yeah

Matt: That he has on the test that's amazing yeah and it really makes sense why I left that industry and came to be host and the irrational thought will kill any kind of

Manny: Oh there's no doubt and that you have or I mean an

Matt: Honor suit

Manny: Before we came on this podcast it was like they you know we were gonna shoot it a week ago and then I put it off and then I'm thinking oh it's not quite ready you know and it's like you know what you just got to go and that comes up here in a bit

Matt: Just do it. Do the work

Manny: I do the work come in here and yeah there's so much cool stuff in this that yeah I I think there's there's some so much power to this you know and so you look at our enemies right and those are the characteristics of resistance you start looking at that and you know there's seven characteristics we talk about rational thought here's another enemy which and they shock some people out their friends and family.

Matt: Yeah hmm Oh without a doubt.

Manny: It's interesting looking at it that way right

Matt: Yeah it's with friends and family with the coaching industry I mean how many times were you told when you were younger that you're not in the right business you're not making any

Manny: Oh yeah with what we get paid early on in the career I mean

Matt: Mmm

Manny: Family especially isn't they're not used to seeing that kind of trajectory and that kind of early development in your career they think they you should be making more money or you should be doing something else and I mean that's

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Pulling you away from what you want to do all the time

Matt: Yeah and you're right and the problem with friends and family is that they know us as we are yeah you see that's the whole thing as we are that's how they know us they're invested in maintaining us in the way we are

Manny: Right

Matt: You know it's like oh here's a little mad you know you know mom dad grandma whoever right that's how they see it and and the last thing we want is to remain as we are yeah it's all about growth and and taking that next step and maturing you know you know with some exceptions friends and family are the Enemies of the un-- you the unmanifested you the the person you want to become they're the enemy of that especially if that's not in their world

Manny: Yeah right?

Matt: With my parents both being teachers and before that they were in the business world they really don't understand what we go through as coaches I mean they they hear me all the time kind of huh I've been to them every once in a while but sure oh that they don't understand some of the grind that we go through with some of these kids ya know that can be related to anything

Manny: Well there's no question I mean so those are some enemies there they exist and I just think just being aware of it makes a lot of sense you know but now we also have some allies that see who's on our side all right cuz you can see the enemy's side of it but the allies for us are these six things and we'll bang through these a little bit and give you some some pretty interesting stories regarding each of these and how you can relate them. our allies are one stupidity, stubbornness, blind, faith, passion assistance which is the opposite of resistance and then number six friends and family it hits again

Matt: Comes right back around

Manny: They can go both ways and you know it's just we'll get through this now okay the first one is you know he talks about stupidity not stay stupid examples of this he gives our Charles Lindbergh Steve Jobs Winston Churchill right because any smart person who understood how impossible the tasks they set themselves up for would have pulled the plug before they even began right you think about that is it's almost like the audacity to be able to pull something off you know and I can think back you're a few years back I was at Kansas State on a staff with some great coaches and you know Bob Stoops was our co-defensive coordinator time the other code DC was Jim Leavitt and they were running the defense together and I remember Jim he was interviewed down in Tampa at the University of South Florida to start the program from scratch.

Matt: Big undertaking

Manny: Right and I can remember just a one conversation in the hallway listening to Jim about it and it was like oh my goodness he took on something a lot of people like far to be cool to be the head coach at South Florida I need plays all these different things but what he embraced you know is beyond that it was almost like it seemed like he just decided just go do it

Matt: Yeah

Manny: He interviewed he got the job and he started working in trailers for most of his existence as a head coach down there and and he got it done

Matt: But it's his

Manny: Yeah that's his baby yeah yeah


Matt: And if you go in, I mean we'll talk about the beginning middle and end part but yeah I mean if he had a goal for it he sees the ending like it's got to be fun yeah you know to see and

Manny: It is and some people scares the heck out of em

Matt: Sure

Manny: You know but Jim was not and he had a passion for the area and it made sense to him to basically you know do it you know it's like there's an interesting quote here regarding this you know a child has no trouble believing the unbelievable nor does the genius or the madman there's Jim Leavitt right there ya know it's only you and I with our big brains and our tiny hearts who doubt and overthink and hesitate don't think act that's where you got to pull the trigger and go do it

Matt: Absolutely

Manny: I mean that's you know that's what comes next right all right the next Ally we have is stubbornness I be stubborn once we commit to action the worst thing we can do is stop when we're stubborn there's no quit in us you know and another analogy for me is Bill Snyder.r that's another guy that was against all odds a lot of people don't realize when he got to Kansas state that it was the all time losingest program in the history of college football and some of the things that he stuck to his guns on were remarkable to me and throughout all these podcasts you know I mean that's just certainly a mentor for me and somebody that you know every day I feel blessed that I had the opportunity to work with him twice

Matt: Without a doubt

Manny: Yeah and it's interesting that yeah he was stubborn and he had a certain stick-to-itiveness to get this deal done and I think that you know the lessons I learned from that or like his vision was there he was gonna get it done he was committed to action and then when he had the action and he completed a cycle back he kept going it wasn't like always sat back and say ah yes we won that or we did this it was constantly churning

Matt: What's up next

Manny: Yeah absolutely

Matt: For sure

Manny: Yeah so you see that and you know I think another one which sort of fits in as well is that of blind faith and what we say here is our mightiest ally is the belief in something we cannot see hear taste touch or feel you know it's like when you have your backs against the wall and you just believe in each other

Matt: And goes kind of connects with stubbornness too

Manny: Right

Matt: Like you blindly believe something or you know this is gonna happen you're not gonna quit no you're gonna be stubborn you're gonna say we still got this you know I'm gonna pull the plug yet yeah kind of go hand in hand

Manny: So these are allies these are the things that are helping us contains resistance right

Matt: Continue to push forward

Manny: Mmm-hmm and helping us out so you want to be a little stupid on this deal has he talked about stubbornness is important you know blind faith is important to have that another one is passion and I see that a lot you know you think about some of the different guys that are out there in this profession that have a really tremendous passion for their players for their program

Matt: Sure

Manny: You know like him or not a guy like PJ Fleck

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Okay you know I have friends and just the common conversations I hear about him from others that don't know him it's usually the case.

Matt: For sure yeah

Manny: You know and it's like they're all like second guessing him you know and like oh oh what who's he think he is to be talking that way

Matt: I heard him speak down at the convention okay it was very interesting

Manny: What’d you notice?

Matt: That he had some energy for sure and he was very passionate about what he was talking about up on stage and how they built the program up to Minnesota and where was the app before that Western Michigan they was just talking about how much they improved then you could hear it and feel it that he really meant it and he really felt passionate about his job and what he had done and what he's continuing to do in Minnesota you know and it's pretty it definitely is fun to listen to him he's got a lot of

Manny: Right it is but what I notice is when he's saying that the conversation in the room out in the hallway after he's done there's a whole lot of doubters it's there's a lot of haters

Matt: Because not everybody can be that passionate about something

Manny: Yeah or they're like well what is that that's all you hear that oh that's just frou-frou stuff what's he talking

Matt: Rational thought right that's where the rational thought comes in and

Manny: Yeah

Matt: Absolutely I've it's a split room whenever he's talking and you got the guys that really believe what he's saying and then the other guys that are saying nah he's he's full of it.

Manny: Yeah right all the show it is and and you know I mean I I'm intrigued by it because it is what happens because passion you know it's got to happen it's your ally you know but what what saps it is fear I mean when you go into a situation and you're fearful and I'm guilty of this sometimes I've done it before you know you go in and you just know you're not gonna be very good right now yeah you know and he's like oh geez I'm afraid for the kids I'm afraid for the program we're just not equipped yet well and somehow you have to suck it up

Matt: Yeah

Manny: You know dust yourself off and get passionate about why you're doing this in the first place

Matt: Mm-hmm

Manny: Because you you just can't wonder you got to do this yeah

Matt: Yeah if you're afraid of failing that's gonna sap a lot of passion out of it especially if you're in a profession like coaching or any kind of the arts if you're gonna fail oh I mean you got to be willing to fail you got to enjoy failing because you learn from

Manny: Yes absolutely

Matt: that's always that's something that took me a long time to learn cuz I'm I used to be afraid of failing at what I was doing and at some point you realize you'll get through it and you'll be better for it

Manny: oh there's no question I always get a kick out of guys that are out there so how can you go through a season where you went 1-9 you know you just want the you know and that and I'm like well you know what if you gave up and went 1-9 that's one thing but if you come back and you're passionate and you're still putting it in and you're excited every day to do your job yeah now you're using one of those allies and and I think passion will have you overcome quite a bit

Matt: For sure

Manny: especially in building the football program and I think that's important because we don't all walk into an Alabama when Nick Saban came in and even had some adversity early or when Bob Stoops first got to Oklahoma and you know a couple years later they won a national title and it's like ah you know

Matt: Yeah

Manny: it's different you know but not everybody you know can do that

Matt: You gotta have a combination of all these things that we're talking about

Manny: You gotta use all this all these allies you've got you know the the the the fifth one here is assistance okay and it's the opposite of resistance and will come to the back to this later on but it's like you want to see it the opposite of resistance and we'll hit that quite a bit here in a little bit and then the last one friends and family all right when inspiration success fame and money have come and gone who still loves us now that's you know and who do we love you know you have your family you know a they say about coaches there's two types ones that have been or will be fired

Matt: yeah I'm still on the will be side thing

Manny: yeah well and you just don't know I mean at some point things happen that way I remember when I was young and you know veteran coach once told me that rich Rachel told me this at Kansas State and I'm like what is he talking about you know I'm really good this will never happen you know but you know he's right I've seen so many I mean Bill Snyder Hall of Fame coach was in essence he was fired the first time

Matt: Right and he brought him back

Manny: Yeah brought him back won a bunch of games

Matt: He did okay for himself

Manny: Yeah but but even then his ex wasn't on his terms right you know so I you know there's that to be said you know but but in then what you do have is family you know and if we locked everything into our why and why we're doing that and if it's for our family you know it can drive away these forces and that's what that's why friends and family can be your ally when you let that happen and gives you a compelling drive to create

Matt: And I found that they they're both sometimes they are enemies and allies like they have listed here

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: I was saying before that my parents they don't get it sometimes when I tell them things but at the same time I'm fortunate enough to have parents that love me unconditionally and they support me in whatever I'm doing this is my third career now and they're I'm all in on it and they they truly are I mean they helped me get through the first couple years so luckily I don't need to lean on them as much anymore but they're still there for me even if they don't get it and that's what's important there so

Manny: Yeah and that is important you know I mean I think as we move ahead into the end of the book what what's interesting is and I'd like to just share with everybody the way the book is actually working is as we dive into this deal and what you have is after describing these characteristics of resistance our enemies our allies then we start getting into the beginning and it takes us through a project and when I mean a project it can be anything you know I'll share later a pretty cool thing that I did after reading this on building this program here at Defiance College and and how I was able to do it in a matter of like five minutes

Matt: Yeah

Manny: It's pretty neat you know it's like wait what are you talking about five minutes well you'll see and I think it's valuable regardless of whatever it is you're working on you know so okay beginning you know that's this is the first step let's say is the beginning you would think right okay so what's the best time to start he says start before you're ready

Matt: Right now

Manny: Right now yeah get it going exactly you just do it you know you sit there and stew around you got problems with it you know it's like you know what I think's interesting is he says remember this okay our enemy is not a lack of preparation hmm that's interesting last week I thought we should wait on this podcast it got me right it's not the difficulty of the project or the state of the marketplace or the emptiness of our bank account the enemy is resistance the enemy is our chattering brain which if you give it as much as a nanosecond it'll start producing excuses alibis and a million reasons why we can't shouldn't won't do what we need to do

Matt: Yeah

Manny: How about that

Matt: That's... I mean one of the realest things I've ever read I just got to do it start.

Manny: Get started whatever this deal is and we'll use a variety of different examples but in the end you know if you're gonna go start a new football program or you're taking over a program or you're coming in and you're the new linebacker coach or you're the new coordinator whatever it is you're doing in this profession there's a beginning and the last thing you want to do is sit there and hesitate

Matt: Right just get it going whatever you got to do put the first thing on your list and start it yeah and that's okay

Manny: So here's what's pretty cool now he stopped we started getting into this at the beginning right and before we begin you want to do all this research right you said let me pull out the research and see what it is I want to do it

Matt: Wrong

Manny: Right I know it's like hey I'm gonna I'm the defensive coordinator let me go study all this film to create the defense that nobody has ever seen that's going to crush it

Matt: Better ideas to get on the board or put it put it down on paper and start drawing it up right you wouldn't think

Manny: Right but here's what he says he gives you a research diet when you're you're allowed to read three books on your subject no more that's it and here's what's really hard to do because I do this all time and I after reading this book I just said you know I'm going to just do it this way no underlining no highlighting no thinking or talking about anything just let the ideas percolate

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Okay that's hard to do

Matt: I'm not a big a note-taker while I'm reading something or yeah doing stuff for me when I get started on something I really just say you're fortunate I dive into things but that's because I don't like to write things down

Manny: Well like I've always been in a situation like this it's like okay everything I read or hear I'm always saying how can I apply this to a football program sure all right and so I'm always so I want to I don't want to lose it so I want to put it down and there's value to it

Matt: I've lost so many it is right because I don't write things down

Manny: Yeah don't and we'll get to that here later in the book he talks about how and when to do that right you know it's but you you just got to let it go that way you know got to got to let the unconscious do its work you know I mean research itself can become resistance I mean you can sit there and literally quantify your life and be one of those guys that does nothing but research and you know all this stuff but you have no real-world experience an application


There's no substance to it

Manny:Yeah all right it's like some of the sounds study hey we're gonna be an RPO team we're gonna study every way that everybody does it before we decide what it is we're gonna do

Matt: Right take what you know already put it down see what you like and then if you want to expand on it that's where we'll talk about those the research comes in a little bit

Manny: Yeah absolutely and I think that's important you know it's like you know two quick thoughts he says as we begin a project like this I mean one he says stay primitive you know the creative act is primitive its principles are a birth and Genesis remember it's better to be primitive than to be sophisticated and better to be stupid than be smart yeah whoa yeah

Matt: I related that whole primitive feelings they're staying primitive they're just having that gut feeling if something is the way that it needs to be

Manny: You just know

Matt: And you do it you might be wrong you know but yeah so yeah worry about that later and that's his whole point there I like that state primitive

Manny: Yeah so do I you know I I think that that's really important in the beginning here that we're talking about I think that that's that's critical and you know what he says here and I think here's an interesting example now this gets a little graphic but it is what it is right you know he says here babies are born in blood and chaos stars and galaxies come into it into being amid the release of massive primordial cataclysms it's like hey forget all this organizing thing

Matt: It's like just do great things a great ideas happen in big just explosions

Manny: Yeah you don't need to be sophisticated

Matt: Right

Manny: At this point you know and and and and that that's one thing to keep in mind the second thought regarding this is swing for the seats you know I mean swing for the seats if you want to do great stuff we can't let ourselves work small you know shoot man it's like I I think oh there's a book and I think it was Seth Godin you know and what Seth was talking about which I'm sure he’ll be on this podcast at some point is you know small is the new big you know it's like you have got to see that whatever it is you're doing can be huge for you

Matt: yeah

Manny: You know and you want to swing for the seats you don't want to sit there and hope you know if we don't swing for the seats from the start we'll never be able to get there I always thought it was like you know if you're here and you're trying to achieve something if you shoot your aspirations beyond it you come short you got closer

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Right so it's how you set those goals is really important

Matt: For sure and that's I mean you being here at defiance college is a great example of that some of the things that you've done up to this point you're shooting to have a championship program

Manny: Yeah

Matt: A lot of guys that I respect in the industry had said stay away from like that's yeah not a good job to be at and you know it's it's very interesting to see that and I mean you're sure you're swinging for the seats right now

Manny: We are we are we totally insane and because that's the only way we're in this thing together we're gonna you know we're gonna make something special happen and and you have to start playing from a position of power and the only way you do that is by utilizing this balance this dichotomy back and forth and understanding hey resistance is out there but we can overcome that

Matt: For sure

Manny: You know because just like they always say you know when when a rocket is coming off the platform to go to the moon most of the energy expended is right at the very beginning but while you're in the Earth's atmosphere

Matt: Yeah

Manny: No well it's same way when you're building the program or doing a project a lot of work

Matt: Right from the start

Manny: Yeah there's no question you know here's an interesting one here that goodness I just enjoyed this when I actually heard I think where I saw Steven Pressfield you know he was interviewed on an Oprah episode one time right I got to catch some of this a few a couple years ago and and this was actually something that came out in there and then after I then I went back and I reread the books like aha it's funny how you read something but then you go back and like then the aha moments come right

Matt: A whole different experience

Manny: Yeah and this little this little section here called lunch with my mentor and there's a quote that he starts off here with he goes Steve this is what this is when he's meeting with his mentor right he goes God made a single sheet of yellow foolscap exactly the right length to hold the outline of a novel first thing like what the heck is foolscap I didn't know what that was and get a dictionary you know and he's basically talking about you know the yellow paper that you know you would you know that you just get in a notepad.

Matt: Right

Manny: Right okay and that's just the way that it was referred to that you know what did he really mean in that statement you know and I think what he met is he goes don't overthink don't over prepare don't let research become the resistant don't spend six months compiling a thousand-page tome detailing the emotional matrix of why you want to do this and you know why this play works why this doesn't

Matt: Right it's an outline

Manny: Yeah

Matt: Fit what you want to do on one sheet of paper yes and we worry about the details a little bit later

Manny: Yeah absolutely and a his outline it fast you know he goes on instinct right now you know it's like okay well that makes no sense to me you know and and he goes and there's a three-act structure to this deal right there's the beginning and middle and the end all right and he gives an example and he gives an example of Leonardo da Vinci alright this is how Leonardo did it. He goes here's the last supper and three acts on a single piece of paper right supper table stretching across the width of the canvas Jesus standing in the center Apostles arrayed in various postures left and right perspective and background tailing off behind that's all da Vinci needed to start the rest was details

Matt: He had his big vision and then as he's going through it the minor details and whatever is in the background and all that stuff comes into play with what's on the table for them to eat they're not writing that down in the outline you know-

Manny: yeah

Matt: That's gonna come later on

Manny: Exactly so you know there's these three parts right it gets it but here is the most beautiful if you take nothing away from reading this book here's the one where I think the rubber meets the road alright he goes the next question is how do you get it down alright he says get your idea down on paper you can always tweak it later

Matt: Yeah right

Manny: Okay but how do you do that and I mean some people sit there and they just write stuff down right all right this was the trick that made it all fit for me and it is start at the end

Matt: Mmm-hmm

Manny: Alright start at the end it's a trick that screenwriters used they worked backwards years ago I heard Stephen Covey would go begin with the end in mind you know that that concept right

Matt: Gives you a direction where if you start at the beginning you have no idea where you're headed-

Manny: Yes

Matt: That's he gives the example of Moby Dick in the book and at the end it's I mean you have this massive battle between man and beast and

Manny: Mmm-hmm

Matt: Man ends up losing and that's the end of not one he had there were a couple of different words never but like that's the end how do we get there yeah

Manny: It is you have to start with the end in mind that is actually the first step in the process what do you want this deal

Matt: Right

Manny: To look like for you and then next you go to the beginning and then the middle so start with in beginning and then the middle right and you know here's an example all right so I did this shoot when did I do this? On the airplane at the end of July a couple years ago when I took this job okay and I just kept it right so this is a sheet of paper this is the actual sheet of paper

Matt: It's the first time I've seen this

Manny: Well I just you know we just have the begin in this book because that's where I learned it right so this is it right here this is the program all right and I've got beginning middle and end all right

Matt: Okay

Manny: So what I did

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Okay this is what we're trying to do here so I'll just going to go through this and I'll say here is the end before we took that you know for I even stepped on campus and took the job you know was on you know took this deal all right so the end a championship football program precision passion high energy that has a culture of caring and togetherness to overcome all odds to the pinnacle of success that's my end that's what I want

Matt: And that's I mean that's a great goal to aim for and I it makes it a lot easier to say well what's gonna happen in the next two steps

Manny: Yeah

Matt: In the middle you know and that's exactly obviously still a work-in-progress

Manny: Well yeah but this was done on the upside I did this in five minutes and we'll come back to this deal as we come back to the book here in a second but it's like you know you look at it it's like next you go to the beginning all right and you want to set this deal up right and once you do the beginning then you really want to understand because that will take you to the middle we're starting to fill everything in right so for instance right so let's say I'm sitting here and I go to the beginning so what I write a program in need of A turnaround hmm historically a loser some may have tried and failed a staff has assembled trained to implement the art of the turnaround that's the beginning

Matt: Mmm-hmm

Manny: Now the middle order is put in disorder shows up we ignore it and keep putting in more order confidence breeds more confidence we learn from failures and successes consistency of focus and preparation put us in a position to achieve victories and more victories and more victories then the end a championship football program

Matt: Yeah

Manny: So this is this is an outline of what we're doing here

Matt: Yeah 100% all right you read that and it's like I love that first season you know yeah you had a losing program

Manny: Yeah

Matt: After the season you brought in the staff that you wanted to bring in and you see the improvement from the fall till now of where we're headed and that's the middle we're in the belly of the beast right

Manny: Yeah which is coming up

Matt: We'll get that

Manny: Right yeah I mean that's the beauty of this do but I mean that is our football program on one sheet of paper you know and what happens is this thoughts and chatter the things that are going on in your mind you know it's like all of this stuff that is basically resistance you know you look at some oh my budgets not big enough oh we don't have this player we don't have that play we don't have you start thinking about all these...

Matt: Excuses

Manny: Right

Matt: Yeah

Manny: And that’s what’s the resistance

Matt: Yep

Manny: And you have to avoid it at all cost but as we get through this you see how to do this but it's like you've you've got to use your allies when the enemies are showing up

Matt: And you got to remember the end while you're going through it too because there's always gonna be that chatter it's gonna there's always gonna be excuses popping on things and if you always remember your end goal you'll push through it and you'll find ways around those excuses

Manny: Oh yeah you're right Matt and it's like the thing is what you know in this book when he says don't think what he means is don't listen to the chatter

Matt: Right

Manny: Alright and it's paid no attention to the rambling disjointed images all the crap that is coming at you

Matt: And it's funny because I've had to coach kids that I've had to tell don't think before and it wasn't it had nothing to do with don't think about what's going on in the field just you know focus and that's really what it is don't think about all the stuff that you can't control I've had linebackers before who try to tell the DB’s how to cover

Manny: Yeah

Matt: The D-line where the line is like hey that's not your job they know what to do you make the call and then you play your position and don't think.

Manny: Mmm-hmm

Matt: Play and that's you know

Manny: That's really what it is right yeah I mean that's exactly what happens you know right and you've got to be ready for the resistance as you know hey this is cool you know this sheet of paper and explains everything but resistance is just gonna show up and it's how you how you deal with it you know

Matt: What you wrote in the middle

Manny: I'll be there you know you're gonna get the call from somebody that's going to like rock your world for an instant but it's like okay it's how how you relate to it

Matt: How you react and how you move forward

Manny: Your choice

Matt: Yeah so now let's get to the middle part here the middle of the book all right and one thing we can never, never permit ourselves to do is to take resistance lightly I see this a lot right you underestimate it and anybody that underestimates resistance is gonna fail and because they take into account this like they forget to think about though this is this thing is out to kill

Manny: Yeah something's gonna happen you gotta be prepared for it at all times and and nothing ever goes right a hundred percent of the time and if it does tell me how to do it please

Matt: Yeah exactly

what's the secret but yeah if you underestimate the things that could happen you know

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: That's always what expect the worst but or no expect the best prepare for the worst how does that say no I don't know how that goes

Manny: Well it's like a contingency plan

Matt: yeah yeah well always expect the worst and yeah that's what resistance is

Manny: It is the worst thing that could happen well and and he does make a statement in here or it basically says hey look we can never eliminate resistance it never goes away but we can outsmart it we can enlist our allies remember those allies we're talking about that are as powerful as it is that's the key in this baby

Matt: yeah

Manny: You know the key is to be able to make sure that you respect it no yes hmm but you slay it just like you slay the dragon yeah you know that's the since George you know he respected the dragon

Matt: Right

Manny: but he slayed it and we get to that part in a little bit -

Matt: yeah right

Manny: yeah that's where it's coming right now in the middle part here it talks about filling the gaps you know on this single sheet of paper that would start off okay we've got what he calls the big beats I mean this is this is like what it should be in the core of what it is you're creating

Matt: right

Manny: and then you go in and you fill in the gaps all right now you do the research all right as you start to fill all this stuff in now you go back and here this is what's interesting a lot of people I I've had to adjust my schedule the last couple of years because of a statement I actually highlighted in his book which I don't use highlighters very much but when I highlight something this is legit for me okay and he says never do research in prime working time

Matt: I agree with that

Manny: No I yeah because you want to work when you work but you want to do do your research early or late don't stop working I never do but everyone's got their different times that they're in peak to do other types of work maybe

Matt: If you're working 9:00 to 5:00 on a project yeah you know just throwing that out there then you research at 6:00 to 8:00

Manny: Yeah you could yeah that's up to you. You know and that could be the way to go like for me I like the afternoons are a good time for me to research because I'm really productive in the morning you know so it's like yeah you know not you're wasting the time but he just saying research can be fun it can even be seductive but that's the danger in this thing you know we need it we love it but we must never forget that research can become resistance like you mentioned before about it you know so soak up what you what you need to fill the gaps keep working on it though you know that's the key is to keep on working

Matt: yeah

Manny: and and just fill those gaps in and so you fill in the gaps and you're doing the research now you know and you're breaking it down and then the next step is to cover the canvas you know one rule for working for scraps first drafts is to get them done as soon as possible

Matt: don't think just do

Manny: yeah you keep going you know and it's interesting like this deal here this one page now at some point I'll show you this deal it's it's an 86 page manual right now this one page that I have you know that is constantly upgraded and worked on so okay it's you know I call it the art of the turnaround because was like

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Right, so there's something to this and it's a constant process for us and you you get this done as soon as possible and don't worry about the quality don't reflect on it momentum is everything

Matt: Right

Manny: It really is. So as you're doing this you want to understand that that is what's critical that you're getting momentum do it get to the end he makes a statement there's something like get to the end as if the devil himself were breathing down your neck and poking you in the butt with this pitchfork

Matt: Yeah yeah no

Manny: you got to drive and go get it

Matt: a first draft is never never pretty but you just got to get it done so then you have stuff to work off of that's that's basically what he's saying there yeah right finish it and then you can go back and you can refinish it and refinish it

Manny: I think it matters is the first draft get it done right yep get something done yeah all right if it's flawed imperfect it's not what matters at this point you're not allowed to judge yourself either all

Matt: right now

Manny: as you're starting to put this thing together mm-hmm now here's the other thing it's always interesting to me in this day of technology he makes a statement in here ideas do not come linearly

Matt: yeah no

Manny: and it's like it's the old like hey I just thought of this in the shower you know you know when you get these Eureka moments

Matt: Right

Manny: Off like that and I get it you know and they just don't come that way you know initially you broke the thing down and what I have been able to do is like when I get these ideas and a lot of times the way people are creative mind can work is it happens when you least expect it or it happens when you take a break from the office and you may be going for a walk if you have a problem on your mind as you're going for the walk you can solve it or yeah I have ideas towards solving it right

Matt: Yeah

Manny: and so you know I've done stuff before I care a little black notepad in the from walking up pulling in my pocket but lately you know I like just having not even having the phone just having a little i-watch on and say okay you know it will be cool I hit the button and I just talked into this thing like

Matt: record it

Manny: yeah like Dick Tracy back in the day

Matt: I know the name yeah

Manny: he had these Apple watches before there was Apple back in the day they had like a watch in the cartoons that he could talk to and it could do stuff and that's what this yeah I digress okay but but that's what's happening right you know it's like you put it out there and it's like I can remember you know Coach Snyder at K-State you know he would take notes during practice right and he always used a little voice recorder and you know nowadays you don't

Matt: See that

Manny: yeah you know with a little cassette tape and it's you know and his there back then they call him secretaries today their administrative assistants or executive assistants you know

Matt: they would transcribe

Manny: yeah yeah he'd say “hey Joanne here's your just a little mini cassette” and she'd put on her headset and type whatever he said and organize the notes and

Matt: yeah

Manny: you know this happened every single practice of his I mean every practice and I was like well that's that's pretty cool

Matt: love to have a library of those cassettes

Manny: oh the worst part is to be on the other end of it

Matt: Oh without a doubt

Manny: it's just the closer to home

Matt: without a doubt

Manny: over here in these meetings Matt we're like he sits at the head of the table right and especially in the early years you know you got some young we're all young you know and coaches and we're all sitting around the table coach Snyder's there and I think to his right I was right there and then you know then you had oh you had a bunch of you know Bob Stoops Mike Stoops you get you know all these different assistant coaches there and and we're all like okay and I think being young it was on the staff I got that seat which was right next to Coach Snyder which is not the one

Matt: You don't want that seat

Manny: well I mean waiting because I could sit there and sort of watch he was talking him I could see his notes it sounds like okay this is cool for me the other guys might not care but this is alright

Matt: I was about to say you don't want to be next to him you don't want to be across

Manny: That's it and poor Mike Stoops is directly on the other side and he could just stare him down

Matt: yeah

Manny: you know it is what it is Irish bravado of you know the Youngstown

Matt: yeah

Manny: you know there was interesting but in those meetings what was interesting to me was that you know he would take these ideas that he had and he had this it wasn't a three-ring binder it was a steno pad okay

Matt: right yeah

Manny: and and every and he had all of it you know the date the duties and on the side it had the initials of the coach

Matt: Oh boy

Manny: oh yeah and there might be a diagram and hey when you're doing this drill I want it and then he’ll diagram what he wants right so every practice and what would happen is during practice where Joanne didn't necessarily have the time to type all that stuff he would go in and write it all himself and then she would just make copies so we'd come in sometimes there’d be like 15 pages for an afternoon meeting after a morning practice yeah and you'd sit there and I would just look down said

Matt: where's my name

Manny: Where’s MM you know unfortunately Mark Mangino he was a GA at the time so he he didn't have a whole lot of stuff in there then

Matt: Okay

Manny: No but you look for you know like Bob Stoops, BS where's he? You know everybody would look for their Del Miller DM you look for these guys

Matt: The less better usually

Manny: yeah because he's made corrections in front of whole staff that's like oh thanks coach yes sir yes sir and it was the ultimate in micromanagement during the early years

Matt: sure

Manny: at Kansas State which I understand what you wanted a certain way and now

Matt: if you're not giving it to him then you're going against what he's trying to build

Manny: yeah and that's not he knew and others some guys knew I mean Dell Miller certainly knew he came from Iowa with him and Bob Stoops certainly knew he played at Iowa and was an assistant up there so there were some guys that just knew and most of us didn't so that's how he happened to operate that deal but but that gets to the point of you know when the ideas come and then organizing them with a voice recorder or your Apple watch nowadays and things like that

Matt: Yeah

Manny: you know so I mean that's how it goe right so then then you've got the process alright I and you know let's talk about the actual process the writing composing idea generation process if it happens basically in two stages action and reflection all right and when I say that it's like act reflect act reflect never act and reflect at the same time

Matt: yeah

Manny: see that's what ends up happening that I think is very amazing on this deal because a lot of guys will sit there and they'll they'll have this dialogue in their head of the process well yeah that actually hurts you putting it together it's like it becomes resistance in and of itself right so you're putting together this defense right and you have this concept you're working on a blitz package whatever it is and and you've got all the details of this thing then you start to analyze it you know and you're going no

Matt: just do it

Manny: put it down then reflect on it yeah you see that's the difference because it's it's going back and forth you just get into this downward spiral you never get it done

Matt: we have the luxury to of having our kids run the plays too and then we can reflect on it on the film

Manny: that's right

Matt: that's what I learned from a lot of great coaches about coaching fast on the field you don't want to be and I know it says it in the book - you know you don't want to act and reflect at the same time

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: I got caught early on coaching where I would trying correct them immediately after they made a mistake where it's like just give him a couple buzzwords and then we can clean it up on film later but they need to get the reps they need to do it

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: They need to go through the action part of it and then we can reflect on it in the film room that's where we want a coach on film so

Manny: And that's been happening a lot in over the years you get these coaches you get a coaching style out there where they talk about play fast

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Alright and by playing fast they're talking about something that you know you have to have quick corrective feedback

Matt: Yes

Manny: and then you correct on the film

Matt: Right

Manny: the details of it on the film

Matt: Coach fast. Love them up later. They mess it up, you tell them what it was but it has to be quick and then the next rep should be coming up because I was yelled at a couple times in my last job for a hole drill because I was trying to correct something.

Manny: Yeah

Matt: And it was not the time you know they messed up tell them they messed it up moving on

Manny: Yes so basically on this first draft or as we're working it your name will be heavy on action

Matt: Yes

Manny: You know and light on reflection

Matt: Very light

Manny: And then you can make the progress you know that you need to make you know and I think that really makes a good way to go about it right he says here also the answer is always yes all right when idea when an idea pops into our head and we think no this is too crazy that's the idea we want

Matt: Right when I was and what I was writing through this down I like like if I was making a defense and I had a crazy idea about doing something whether that's bringing five and dropping off an end or something like that and doing something that nobody's doing or it's just it looks weird try it

Manny: oh yeah

Matt: put it in and then you know you you can fix it later

Manny: well yeah as funny as you say that reminds me and and these things happen like at the craziest time but I can remember talking wants to Rich Rodriguez okay and we're Rich when he was I believe it was a d2 school Glenville State in West Virginia

Matt: okay

Manny: yeah head coach and one day he's in practice and this so it's like of lore stuff right and we’re running the zone play you know which was you know just handing it off and the quarterback just as he's he's giving the ball on the zone play he says well shoot I'm just gonna pull it and I'm gonna run thus the zone read was created

Matt: Put it in

Manny: Yeah and here's like can we do you know I think with can we really do that

Matt: Yeah

Manny: Cuz they're in shotgun doing this

Matt: right

Manny: it wasn't like it was under the center zone well you know as

Matt: 90% of teams of the country run it now

Manny: well or some version of it right but it was an accident on a division 2 football field and Rich said hey let's keep working this baby a little bit yeah worked out pretty good for him

Matt: Yeah not too bad

Manny: Yeah a bunch of other people like that but that's the thing you want to be able to stay in the moment and understand like just take all the yeses and you'll filter them out as you go right I mean isn’t that the idea he's saying here they always answers always yes let's get after

Matt: throw it all against the wall see what sticks

Manny: yes that is a good that's a good point you know and now it's time to take a look at the opposite of resistance and this is the best way for me to look at this he talks about here he goes the opposite of resistance is assistance a work in progress generates its own energy field you the artist or coach are pouring love into the work you are getting into it with passion and intention and hope they're serious stuff happening at this point right the universe responds to this it has no choice I you're a work in progress it gets it's almost like you get momentum going yeah and it's like you're in that flow state and it starts to attract like-mindedness

Matt: Right becomes its own energy

Manny: Alright the players see it the coaches see you can see how one guy and you get the assistance because you're in it and you've got that passion flowing on what it is you're doing and you got to be good with that you know it's you know he says here assistance is the universal immutable force of creative manifestation whose role since the Big Bang has been to translate potential into being to convert dreams into reality whoa think about this now dreams into reality

Matt: Yeah

Manny: I read a book once called dreams into reality years ago when I was at Emporia State Milton Katselas with a k' wrote it he was an acting coach I thought whoa and that that was it's like go in and be that. You're being that way you will create a force that is literally unstoppable

Matt: Yeah no I agree with you because then you attract the same the like minds in this like you said and if they don't agree with you, you know it's addition by subtraction they'll leave

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: And you will be better for it because now you don't have those people thinking the way they think around whether that be coaches or players I mean

Manny: Yeah no totally

Matt: So I agree with you

Manny: Hmm I think about like PJ Fleck again

Matt: yeah

Manny: I'm not a… I mean I don't know I’m not a Minneapolis I don't know what's going on inside-

Matt: I'm sure there are plenty of coaches he's had on staff that don't agree with his style

Manny: There's no question

Matt: and either they're they bought in and they started to feed off of his energy or they left probably where they were fired or one or the other you know and he seems like a guy that if if you're not on the same wavelength and you're not producing for him and the system he wants he's probably gonna find somebody who is you know and I feel like you got a like for us here at Defiance I think you got a really good staff here that's we're bought into what we're doing and I think the kids feed off of that I think Manny: the players because once the coaches buy in that's when you start to get those players too that really start driving it themselves and it's basically now it's you in the form of the players as far as the mentality goes

Matt: That’s what you want

Manny: everybody has the same vision and the momentum is all going in the same way so that's hey that's why I'm here I saw it I came on the visit

Matt: Yeah I mean that's interesting that you see it that way because you know I'm looking at it from my vantage point right now and it was like hmm okay so it's like get after it again that's really what it is and don't be afraid to be yourself

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: and do some things and I like I said I have to admit there have been times where I have hesitated on some things and when I when I read this book and apply it I noticed it's resistance and just knowing it's resistance it is a big difference I mean it makes a big difference

Manny: sure

Matt: With what it is you're doing you know he talks about Stephen King right and some coaches are gonna be like oh not this you know deal right

Manny: yeah

Matt: you know Stephen King has confessed that he works everyday 4th of July, his birthday, Christmas yeah now I know coaches you know and it's sometimes it's like I hate to even talk this way because the idea of this website is to win on the field and optimize your life

Manny: yeah

Matt: now optimizing your life can look a lot of different ways to different people

Manny: yeah yeah

Matt: so Stephen King you know the way he is he's gonna work every day no and what happens is that I thought was just fascinating in this point where he's working through it I particularly this stage right he wants he gets momentum and he doesn't want to take a day off because momentum will go straight downhill sure by taking time off

Manny: I'm sure a lot of coaches can relate to that

Matt: yeah that's the addiction the drive the whatever it might be you know how much time can you spare each day you know it's interesting how he does this but Stephen King just keeps working and keeps working and keeps working as he gets his novel work through

Manny: there's always something to be done and there's always something else that you can do

Matt: there is

Manny: and I think that if you spend too much time in the office is a bad thing but I mean if there's something to be done and you can go take care of it just get it done

Matt: if you're wasting time I think my wife Lizzie always you know she always curious cuz you know we put in what went to the outside world would seem crazy hours you know

Manny: yeah

Matt: but then again if you're like on frickin Wall Street and you're working in that industry they're putting in crazy hours too

Manny: and people that makes more sense to people because there's money involved or more money involved

Matt: exactly so I mean that's what's happening and I just think that as I as I look at this deal it's like you as long as you've got an understanding what balance is for you if you have to work every day okay I get it

Manny: that's a great point

Matt: you know yeah but everyone can come up with a strategy that works for them

Manny: right it's different for everybody

Matt: yeah it's just knowing what it is it's just when you're when you're wishy-washy and your one day this way the other day the other way if it's not a strategy maybe you want to rethink it

Manny: consistency that was one of your things from the middle

Matt: right

Manny: yeah consistency if you're consistently working at the same rate then you'll get stuff done

Matt: yeah I mean that's that's how it works you just gotta keep working on it and keep working your way through it you know and what happens is as you're doing this and you keep working right and while you're doing this you act and reflect like you talked about you keep doing that it happens again and you keep going back and forth to the concept that was on this trifold paper

Manny: yeah

Matt: initially right and you go back and forth and keep massaging it so to speak and you got a shot to have something special happen but you have to be able to reflect and he talks about this in a particular way I'm at least twice a week he goes I pause and the rushes were in the rush of work and have a meeting with myself if I were part of a team I called a team meeting I think that's a good idea for a football team you don't have to meet all the time

Manny: we do it Mondays and Fridays just to set the week up and review the week

Matt: Yeah

Manny: it's kind of it's now that we're talking about it you know we set up on Monday for what we're gonna do action-wise

Matt: yes

Manny: and then on Friday we're reflecting on what we did this week and what we're gonna have to plan for next week you know and that's out of season

Matt: yeah

Manny: I'm assuming we I know I wasn't here last season but I'm so when we meet a little more often

Matt: yeah we do you know but you know to make sure the communication solid because there's so many moving parts you know we'll get to that at some point I'm sure and so you know he talks about that he goes have that meeting twice a week pause and reflect you know what's this project about what is its theme is every element serving the theme so it's like you know if I'm looking at this it's easy for me to align with the end here when we're taking on a new project that could fit within the program you know is this fitting with a championship football program that has precision passion high energy culture of caring and togetherness to overcome odds right to the pinnacle of success I mean that's it if it doesn't fit into something that does that you better get rid of it cuz you're wasting your time I think

Manny: as far as football program goes I think that whole middle section the best way to achieve that at least one big part is the weight training program and how guys are in the weight room and I think that that's what's been happening for us at least know this offseason I mean Chris has put on and putting together a great program

Matt: yep runs a tight ship in the weight room and the kids have bought in and now they're the ones bringing the energy like you said to high energy and consistency it's there now

Manny: so speaking of that yeah you're rolling everything's coming along right yeah then you hit the wall you know it's gonna happen all right and then we hit the wall all right and here is what's crazy out of nowhere whatever the project is whatever it is all right our fragile confidence collapses we wake up in a sweat in the middle of the night been there all right that “you suck” voice is back howling in your head yeah it's like oh no what did I do why in the world did I take this job

Matt: yeah

Manny: you know these doubts show up right and you know but what happens is what you don't realize when you're at the wall you're poised at the brink of a creative breakthrough and we can't stand it all right so we freaked out yeah it's common

Matt: it's where the resistance is the strongest

Manny: Yes

Matt: because it knows that this is gonna be it

Manny: yeah there it's coming through right yeah so you hit this wall and then I love this next few pages here he talks about this the belly of the beast

Matt: I'm not a big reader so I was pretty happy

Manny: yeah one word on every page the belly of the beast okay so right and basically this is when if you take nothing away from this whole deal here is welcome to hell I am you're in the middle of this baby right now all right and we've got seven principles of resistance and two tests which these will kick your butt

Matt: yeah

Manny: okay and principle number one alright there is an enemy okay just know that it's it exists there's an enemy there's an intelligent active malign force that's working against us all right that's number one okay then the first step is once you recognize this it's really powerful than principle number two the enemy is implacable what is implacable mean I had to look it up

Matt: Relentless

Manny: You got it relentless reading the notes yeah all right that's it

Matt: SAT word

Manny: yes that's what it is an SAT word, you're right. Alright so it's like okay the enemy is relentless its aim is not to obstruct or to hamper or to impede is aim is to kill all right number three the principle number three the enemy is inside you and I like this I've heard this before from Pat Riley you know Pat Riley was the coach of the Lakers had a term for all those off-court forces like Fame and ego that worked against the players chances for on-court success he called those forces peripheral opponents now those exist and I think every program around here you can say what it is as their peripheral opponents always thought was interesting when I was coaching at Inka high school in North Carolina, Lizzy used to say I've got a rule for your players can I remind you these kids are high school you know I want to meet with all their girlfriends and the rule is according to Lizzy and I thought this is fascinating she goes if you're in a relationship you have to stay in a relationship you cannot break up during the season this is what she would tell yeah high school players you know and the girls were there you know that was it's like you know and to the guys you don't start a relationship during the season either

Matt: it's a good point

Manny: think about that

Matt: not a bad rule

Manny: if you're out there coaching high school that might be some profound knowledge for my wife okay

Matt: that might be a good idea for our guys right now at the college level

Manny: yeah I don't know I mean she just came up with it

Matt: that's a great idea for coaches too I'm just saying

Manny: I'm sure it is exactly so I mean it's interesting how that works you know and it's like but understand as we go through this resistance is not a peripheral opponent it's not what Pat Riley's saying it doesn't rise from our rivals alright and I like this our bosses our spouses our children terrorists out there any of this stuff that's not what resistance comes from it comes from us from within us because I liked always like this when I was at Texas Tech and Leach would bring up something I thought was interesting and he would come out and say something like you know it doesn't matter who we play right have you heard that before

Matt: Mm-hmm

Manny: right and that was the deal it didn't matter who we played it's just another different color uniform helmet we're playing and they just happened to do these particular schemes that we need to be able to

Matt: overcome

Manny: Overcome, execute against and so forth and I thought that in and of itself makes a big difference

Matt: Yeah

Manny: you know

Matt: because you need to execute still it doesn't know what they're doing right if you don't execute then you're not gonna win anyway that doesn't matter who's over there be going against there if you don't catch the pass you didn't score so

Manny: Exactly! You know that's that's a good point mm-hmm you know John Wooden used to say he was the only one for years that would ever study an opponent's film he never really had the players study it mm-hmm it was like okay I just want to have an overview of how what it is we're going against I don't know basketball but I know enough like playing man zone whatever it is they're doing

Matt: sure so you know what the practice that

Manny: yeah and then other than that he goes we just work on ourselves

Matt: yeah and no wonder basketball is such a big one like that

Manny: right

Matt: if you run what you run you yes have a better chance of being successful than trying to adapt to the other team yeah we're football there's a little bit more that goes into it because of the design

Manny: yeah and it's also design of a system too there are some systems out there you know you're an option team you know the great Paul Johnson from you know Georgia Tech and Navy and Georgia Southern you know it's like okay he didn't care it's either odd or even we're gonna run the triple option and here's what we're gonna do and we're gonna get after he won a lot of football games that way

Matt: if you run it at a high level and execute that’s tough to beat

Manny: the Air Raid’s that way too offensively you know same type of thing

Matt: And any defensive coach knows if that stuff gets rolling it is tough to stop the bleeding

Manny: yeah and it is and that's an interesting viewpoint as I as you start to come across this and you see you know it's just one of those things that's inside of you you know that that if that is the key to this thing hmm okay so that's a principle that we just covered there

Matt: number three

Manny: Number three. it's inside of you number four the enemy is inside you but it is not you

Matt: I like that one

Manny: Right it’s like what's this really mean to me? When I read it and I kind of thought about it a little bit like your mind has been conditioned by your surroundings for however many years and whether that be going back to all the points before with enemies his it could be your friends and family it could be rational thought I think it's things that you've been conditioned to think your whole life of this is what you should be doing or this is what makes sense and then I you know like you just gotta ignore it

Matt: Yeah you realize you're not to blame

Manny: Right it's not your fault

Matt: It's not your fault this is what you've been told your whole life this is that chatter going on in your ear you know

Manny: yes I mean that's that's it you know the enemy is inside you but it's not you I have principle number five right the real you must duel the resistance you

Matt: yeah

Manny: there it is right there all right on the field of the self stand the knight and a dragon you're the knight resistance is the dragon the only course possible between the knight and the dragon as my son Eli says is battle he's talking Fortnite

Matt: yeah but it applies here yeah

Manny: it really does you know and it's you have to slay the dragon

Matt: yeah and that's I'm just saying what I did about the last one is that those that you that has been conditioned for however many years and then the you that's going through this whole this whole project like you have to shut those things down and that's basically just slaying the dragon

Manny: mm-hmm oh yeah so you got to slay the dragon every day

Matt: every day

Manny: every day because it just shows up that way right my principle number six all right resistance arises second alright this is the key to overcoming resistance let me say it again resistance arises second what comes first is the idea the passion the dream of the work the program that we're going to put together okay this is the dream right we're so excited to create that it scares the hell out of us it's sleepless nights

Matt: yeah

Manny: it really is all right resistance is the response of the frightened petty small-time ego to the magnificent creative self that's how I see this

Matt: yeah

Manny: I mean that is what shows up resistance is the shadow cast by the innovative selfs son he says that's pretty powerful all right and what it means to us is that before the Dragon of resistance reared its ugly head and breathed fire into our faces there existed within us a force so potent and life-affirming that it's summoned the Beast into being to combat it

Matt: yeah I like that

Manny: right yeah I mean whoa you know it's just like you know it's gonna be there you're summoning it because you have the audacity to go get after something that might scare the hell out of other people

Matt: right yeah that's like you put air it's just a pain in the ass that's right

Manny: yeah that's what it is I mean it's totally what it is I mean it is it's just simply a pain in the ass it's gonna happen to you yeah okay fine

Matt: be prepared to fight it

Manny: yeah

Matt: it's naive to think that you start something like that that something won't come up and we're like there's good battles along the way that anything's worth doing it's not gonna be easy so

Manny: well there's no doubt and you know it's funny you know I look at this stuff the urge to climb comes first to do something you know you talk about some things and we'll get to that in the music industry you're in - it's like you had an urge to do that whatever it might be yeah and a little bit with some questions that come here I would you alluded to you know but the urge to climb comes first and that urges love if it's it's love for what it is the material you're working on the beat the coaching the relationships of working with guys to overcome obstacles those types of things you know and you know I just think when he brings this thing up and he says you know our brother it's like love for our brothers and sisters to whom we will offer our work as a gift

Matt: you can relate that straight to football and coaching I mean you're working with the guys next to you and the kids the players I mean the guys are you're coaching I mean your gift to them is what we're trying to produce out of this program

Manny: yeah

Matt: and once they buy in this, it’s the same just vice versa their gift us is working hard and giving back to the program so that's interesting I didn't just kind of thought of that one

Manny: yeah well that's the idea right and that's exactly what this thing is you know he talks about you know in Greek the word eros is life force Dinah miss which in Greek will be the enemies okay is creative drive right so in that what he's talking about is it's like you have this life force in you this creative drive to get this done and you're always dealing with resistance right

Matt: yeah

Manny: that's what's happening and you have got to crush this deal as you work forward towards it in the face of resistance I mean that's really what happens there so now moving on to principle number seven the opposite of resistance is assistance right any and I think it's pretty neat here where he comes up with this and here's an example from the book all right and I have to give you this one right out of the book in Native America myths, our totemic ally is often an animal a magic Raven say or a talking coyote in Norse myths and old crony sometimes assists the hero an African legends it’s often a bird the three month the three wise men were guided by a star all of these characters or forces represent assistance there are symbols for the unmanifested they stand for a dream the dream is your project your vision your symphony your startup your program the love is the passion and enthusiasm that fill your heart when you envision your project's completion whoa yeah right I mean think about it I mean he gives one great example Charles Lindbergh was that I mean I'm like oh my goodness here's a guy Charles Lindbergh Lindbergh who dealt with all kinds of resistance you know they were given these prizes for the first guy to fly solo across the Atlantic Ocean from I think it was was it New York Long Island somewhere it's

Matt: somewhere yeah

Manny: and you know basically all you got was you're too young you're too inexperienced you've got no credentials I don't think he shaved back then yours is really young right

Matt: great resistance

Manny: Yeah right no credibility everyone who's tried this has failed and you will too it can't be done your plane will crash you're going to drown you're a madman who is attempting the impossible and you deserve whatever dire fate befalls you what saw Lindbergh Charles Lindbergh through it could only have been the dream that's it right love of the idea how cool would it have been for him I mean you know you had to put yourself in his shoes in 1927 to land on an airfield in Paris having flown from New York solo and non-stop before anyone else had ever done it Wow

Matt: ended up being pretty cool

Manny: yeah and it's like you know it's 1927 I mean we weren't around then I mean that was I mean my father was born in 1932 says before he was born so but sometimes you know you learn from the greats the Masters before us and here's a guy that pulled this baby off it’s amazing you know and hey

Matt: you're not getting through that unless you really love the idea you won't do it unless you love the idea yeah you know


Manny: and that's now here's where we go baby you ready for this this is what we've been building up to among other things is there are two tests for resistance all right resistance puts two questions to each and all of us and there's really only one answer all right are you ready for this test number one here's the question how bad do you want it hmm alright okay that's the first question here's a scale that I want you to look at all right dabbling on let's go from the left to the right sound good

Matt: yeah

Manny: Okay so how bad you want it… Dabbling in it interested, Intrigued but uncertain, Passionate, Totally committed. Alright if it's not the one on the far right then forget about it put the book down turn off this podcast see you later oh listen to you we you probably only want to listen this anymore don't take it to another level you don't I'm saying but it's like you have to be totally committed so you have to pass that test

Matt: Right

Manny: all right so test number two all right and this is where basically there's nine options that this any of these answers here right why do you want it let's test number two why do you want it I'm gonna go through all nine of these right so we'll go from one to nine for the babies yeah for the dudes what's he talking about here I know what he's talking about here he's talking about for the babes or the dudes in other words you're doing it for the girls

Matt: Yeah right girls or the guys

Manny: Yeah right you you're coaching because you look good in a coaching shirt on the sideline and you know somebody's looking at you that's one, number two for the money number three for the fame for because I deserve it that's why you want to do it for power number five number six to prove my old man wrong or somebody else maybe a teacher ex-spouse mother some of you prove me wrong

Matt: right

Manny: all right number seven to serve my vision of how life and mankind ought to be sort of like mmm it's like proving something it sounds like you're going there all right number eight for fun or beauty and number nine because I have no choice if you checked eight or nine you should stay and keep coaching

Matt: you're good

Manny: you're good I mean that's basically what he's saying here all right so if you checked any of the first seven all right he says you can stay too but you need what's called an attitude adjustment

Matt: right

Manny: all right because it's you have to adjust some things in your life to make this thing go because if you don't do this you've got no shot you got it you you got to basically check your ego you know your sense of entitlement your impatience your fear your hope your anger because that's why you chose all

Matt: that other stuff right so I mean it's very interesting you know the only items get to keep our love of the work the will to finish and the passion to serve the muse as its called

Manny: right

Matt: you know what a muse is

Manny: something to do with the arts it is isn't it yeah that's uh comes from like Greek mythology

Matt: I think it's whatever sparks your creative mind and everything that's the muse but I could be wrong

Manny: Don't it's pretty close I mean um you know I'm the defect of Greek in the room and it is in a Greek mythology and there were nine muses I believe and each of them was in one of the arts

Matt: yeah

Manny: and you were basically you were inspired by the muse to do certain things and that's that's what he's talking about this you know so you know what happens now is you're two-thirds your way through the project you're stuck in resistance and you got to come back

Matt: push them through

Manny: you're pushing through interesting because everything inevitably crashes at some point right you got the big crash it's so predictable yep right

Matt: Happens to everybody

Manny: interesting alright so without what we just said there let me let me give everybody out there some names to think about okay Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Mike Leach, Lane Kiffin, Bruce Arians Edie or Jean and Frank Solich what do these guys have in common other than their great football coaches

Matt: I'm gonna say that they've all failed miserably at some point in their career

Manny: right probably well that's what we're setting up here right it's like look at this Bill Belichick in the Cleveland Browns that didn't end up so good even though you look oh they should have kept him not really if you look at how it was going

Matt: wasn't so good

Manny: no not at all I mean Bruce Arians people say whoa Wow it was a few times but one was a temple he was fired at temple you know you see the story on him I mean you know my former boss Mike Leach what happened to him at Texas Tech and he was in exile in Key West Florida no

Matt: yeah yeah there could be worse places to be but

Manny: but I know he wanted to coach for three years and he and nobody gave him the opportunity

Matt: right

Manny: it's crazy but these are all guys in our profession that have basically struggled through this whole deal and it was a big crash in their careers right and it's how do you deal with that you know because you could ring the bell you know the Navy the Navy SEALs do this right and when they're in going through basic training right and it's like I can ring the bell and

Matt: They're done

Manny: I'm out I'm done and they just walk away you know but it's one way to go you know all right but you know they have a bell so when a candidate can't take the agony any longer you know you do those six mile ocean swims yeah 15 mile full-load runs physical mental ordeals no sleep no food you know when you've had enough you just quit you ring the bell that's over

Matt: yeah

Manny: how about this one all right that's it it's over you and I have a bell hanging over us too here in the belly of the beast do we ring it when things get going tough here's the truth to all this stuff here there's a difference between a Navy SEAL and what you and I are facing right now is coaches as we're out there doing this I or our ordeal is harder because as a coach stand alone coach we’re alone I mean we have to be able to wake up every day look ourselves in the mirror and do this now there's support all over the place but you know we have to make a decision to wake up every day and it's like yeah we have and this is what I've always thought sort of interesting and I learned this as an assistant coach it's like okay the parameters are set on the program for the coaching staff here's when we're meeting it's not everybody does this but you know there's certain program you've been in a few programs and you have an organizational structure right to when you meet and what it is you're doing right

Matt: yep

Manny: okay you can choose to come in or depart be it however it is along the parameters that are set right

Matt: Yeah

Manny: and you'll be fine you're doing that job right but the difference is when you're doing the other things when people aren't noticing

Matt: what you’re doing in the shadows makes a huge difference

Manny: right yeah you say and to me is it's almost like what I what I enjoy about this is and this is just a little veer off the track here is like look what I and I don't know what it is maybe it's something within me when I hear guys talk about how hard I work and all this stuff you know it's like or my buddy Mike Kelly who I used to coach with it at the Winnipeg Blue Bombers our head coach there and at Widener it was our head coach and you know always what really irked him was the word of when young guys are saying I'm grinding and he's like baby you don't know grinding yeah I could just see it with Mike you know is like hey I work for Andy Reid with the Philadelphia Eagles he would tell me you know and he didn't like pontificate about this is everything that I did that he did

Matt: right

Manny: you know but it's like man you don't know sleeping in the office you know doing the things that those guys are often doing and it's like so when I hear guys telling me or they have to always tell me for the sake of justification that's

Matt: that's the best way to put it

Manny: that's scary stuff

Matt: a lot of guys want to be acknowledged for how much they're doing how much they're helping

Manny: but in the end that's about the result

Matt: yeah if you're not doing a good job or if you are doing a good job as what I mean if you're doing your job and you're doing it well nobody should have to say anything to you

Manny: yeah

Matt: Because that's your job you're getting paid to

Manny: Yes, totally if I end up having two first-team all-conference guys I don't like I don't expect anybody to come over and pat me on the ass and say hey great job

Matt: And you may and that's fine then you better be humble about it because it's gonna kick in the ass later

Manny: I've seen that I'm in been there done that

Matt: and that's just you don't need to be acknowledged you don't need the recognition

Manny: yeah that's not why you're doing it right I mean getting back to those reasons why you're doing it you know when you go across the deal I mean are you doing it for power you know you're doing it to serve a vision of how things you better be doing it because you have no choice right you don't need acknowledgement

Matt: you love it and that's what you want to do this the only thing you can do I mean that's I acknowledgment is nice it is nice every once in a while to be told that you're doing a good job but if you're if you are doing a good job again I nobody

Manny: do it for the sake of the work

Matt: if nobody's talking to me that means I'm doing a good job in my opinion sometimes


Manny: Can be there's no doubt yeah and here's the interesting thing that crashes all those guys we just talked about those coaches that went through the crash now that can tell you some other guys some other guys that crashed and

Matt: didn't recover

Manny: well yeah there was no recovery man that was tough I mean it certainly does happen you know

Matt: well sure that's what happened with me with music

Manny: yeah

Matt: I was in there I hit that wall and I won I was passionate about it so I would have thrown the book away yes but I mean I hit the wall and I had a huge crash I mean I was broken rational thought creeped in and

Manny: Mm-hmm

Matt: never went back to it and that's now I'm here and I'm loving every second of it did it for a reason yeah

Manny: amazing it is how that work so i mean i don't know i think crashes are good you write her hell but in the end they're good for us right

Matt: yep

Manny: you learn how to grow

Matt: yeah failing is a great experience if you learn from it but a lot of people some people can't deal with it and that's tough

Manny: yeah

Matt: say the least

Manny: no I think you're right I mean I know you're right when it comes to that I mean I think that as I go through this career and you know like it's interesting a lot of people say oh I have this career right well what's a career by definition a career is working from one place to another going with to-and-fro think about about careering through something you know like on a ship you're going back and forth to get from point A to point Z yeah and and so as you work through that career it's like you're gonna have some crashes you know guys will get fired it's how you bounce back from it all those guys just talked about were fired yes

Matt: see you've been through your own crash too right

Manny: yeah man it was that was not easy you know that the deal with Texas state was I'll tell you I struggle with that for the longest time because I thought I had taken a job I left Coach Leach at Texas Tech taking a job had put together a fantastic coaching staff you know and thought that hey we're in a great location San Marcos Texas and I'm just gonna do everything that I know is right and we're going to work diligently to create an out-of-the-box type of program and that was our mission you know and I got a lot of like-minded guys on the staff that felt that that was the way to go and you know I learned a ton out of this deal because it's like as we were doing things I didn't pay personally I didn't pay enough attention to all the different things that were happening around me because in the end you have to take the ownership for everything in the program if you're that coach

Matt: right

Manny: and so I had made some mistakes even though you know there were a lot of positive things that transpired through this is not attention to some other things that were happening within the program and and noticing where you had people in support of the program and where some people felt stung because they weren't on the inside you know there there was a dynamic to that you know that hurt when it didn't go our way because after the season was one season you know it's like I still think back it's like oh my gosh we recruited such a good group there and that and most of the guys that we had brought in basically two recruiting classes I believe went all the way to like the final four of the FCS playoffs you know all the way there and lost in the last play of the game or they would’ve been in the championship and it's like you know it's like of the 24 starters I believe we have maybe 19 of them I mean that recruiting class yeah you know just 22 plus the kicker and punter so you know so I'm thinking uh well shoot man we recruit a good class I just didn't do a good job overseeing some aspects of this deal and it's something that it's a constant state of Correction as a head coach what you're doing there so the thing is how do you respond to that well I did the dumb thing I feel in some respects no you know I just got out of coaching for a while you know I just started another business you know I just got out of it and yeah I missed it sort of like what you're talking about

Matt: yeah

Manny: and then I got back in it and I was very fortunate to have that opportunity to get back in it again so you know it's never easy you know but it certainly gives you an opportunity you know and I think that's how this baby ends up working you know

Matt: right

Manny: but I don't know you ever seen it you ever been ever seen some guys when they deal with the big crash friends again

Matt: yeah I've seen it and I've been a part of it and I mean I've been multiple times I've been depressed after a big crash and I've seen guys that they go and they do something they either leave and they get out of it for a little while or you know their people handle it in so many different ways yeah it can affect people in so many different ways that hopefully it doesn't it doesn't affect you too poorly that you can't get back to where you were you know and that's like you said you you win left and you did the magazine thing and everything nice then you got back into it right

Manny: I mean yeah you end up doing it I mean I just you find your way

Matt: I hadn't I mean I feel like I vote I was always destined to be a coach but I got out of it because I wasn't in a great place when I was in college and left and did the music thing and then found the game again thank God I did otherwise I didn't I don't know what I'd be doing right now I definitely wouldn't be happy

Manny: so well yeah and you know it's whatever the cause you know that big crash compels us to go back now and solve the problem and and that that is the key solve the problem that we have created directly or set in motion at the outset and that's what I went through there you know yeah in this case hell is us I mean we went through it and you have to take responsibility yourself because it's it's not other people it is you in and of itself and I think our greatest fear is fear of success you know we panic and panic can be good depending on how you deal with it and he talks about this because you know when we're succeeding that is we have begun to overcome our self-doubt and self-sabotage when we're advancing in our craft and evolving to a higher level that's when panic strikes

Matt: yeah that's the same thing as hitting the wall pretty much that resistance starts to

Manny: you start to get there up BAM yeah okay when we experienced panic it means that we're about to cross a threshold we're poised on the doorstep of a higher plane and that is what's important I think you know when I when I go through this you know the problem is the problem and that's all it is I mean no matter how you look at it a professional doesn't take success or failure personally and and that's a priority number one for us right now you can't take it when you win you can't be thinking you're that great and when you lose you can't be thinking you're that bad

Matt: yeah

Manny: right I mean that's that's the top deal

Matt: Right it is what it is nothing personal it's just-

Manny: I mean look at this after someone's been fired you know for instance you know he what he says here is that our project is crashed it's not a reflection of our worth as coaches it's just a mistake it's just a problem a problem that can be solved where did we go wrong where did this train go off the tracks yeah the good news is it's just a problem and that's all it is it's just a problem all right so you've got to work the problem in the end you just have to work the problem you keep going through it and find out the way to get around it yeah you know and that's to me that's the end right I mean that's really where you want to go with this thing you know it's you know what what is coming up next as you're working through these problems you ever think about that what's coming up next you're working through the problem you got all this stuff rolling and then all of a sudden what has to happen

Matt: you got to finish

Manny: yes you got to finish in other words you have got to get to the end my friend because finishing is the critical part of any project if we can't finish all our work is for nothing we can sit in some ivory tower and write all this stuff we can say I wrote this dissertation I did all this I know that but if you don't finish it doesn't really matter right you know it basically says here it takes balls of steel to ship

Matt: yeah

Manny: I mean BAM that's what he's talking about and so you want to get the word out you've got to get this thing to go all right and you know you just got to get the product out and what is that product well there's all kinds of different ways to look at this thing but it's like there's so much resistance at the end that's when resistance is the strongest at the finish and I look at it like this when you're getting a team through training camp and you've got that team and you're getting ready to play the first game how you finish that training camp has a lot to do with the product you're putting on the field in the opener

Matt: for sure it's the same thing in the season too I mean if you're having a good season throughout the whole time I mean it just gets harder and harder as it gets towards the end you got to finish yeah I mean you gotta! I love the way this correlates the football just because you got a finish on plays.

Manny: yeah you really do

Matt: teaching that

Manny: yeah I mean here's an analysis he gives of Michael Crichton who was who's a novelist and he's read written all kinds of things and you know he's done movies and you know all these different things but Michael Crichton approached the end of a novel and in this fashion he used to start getting up earlier and earlier in the morning he was desperate to keep his mojo going he'd get up at 6:00 then at 5:00 then 3:30 and 2:30 till he was driving his wife insane finally had the move out of the house he checked into a hotel and worked around the clock we finished the book. Michael Crichton was a pro he knew that resistance was strongest at the finish he did what he had to do no matter how nutty or unorthodox to finish and be ready to ship see that's how I see training camp because you worked so many more hours in training camp that you do during the season

Matt: for sure

Manny: you know the preparation for the build up of everything you're doing because you have this time with those guys and in the summer in August

Matt: live on the field and in the office, and in the classroom

Manny: yeah and you're just doing that but it's like the more you know you're driving to a finish as opposed to I've always liked you chunk this thing and you get through the training camp and you give it everything you've got do you have the best product on the field for the opener I always thought it was a bit of a cop-out when you hear guys say oh the greatest improvements from the first game to the second game

Matt: yeah

Manny: well I get it you're gonna always improve yeah but when you say that it's like you're making an excuse

Matt: that you had a bad training camp or you didn't ship out a good product on the first game

Manny: yeah so as coaches we need to revisit what we're doing in training camp if we have that belief because something could have changed that and you could come out of the blocks

Matt: faster and better

Manny: right yeah I I believe that's the case

Matt: a good way to look at it

Manny: yeah I mean you know the thing is when we put it out there works beause I you know so basically you getting the team out there you're gonna find out you are going to hear all these reasons of hey this guy can't call plays this guy is not good all this stuff will show up and back in the day was message boards now it's talk radio now it's you know all the different things I you know I like watching like Amazon Prime where they do like they take a team they did Eagles

Matt: Yeah okay

Manny: and they took them through their whole season and they got these guys yeah that sort of know everything you know and and what you're dealing with there and you're gonna get exposed because you are the guy that's out there in the arena

Matt: yeah by yourself

Manny: I mean that's that's really what it comes down to and and you're gonna get exposed and you got to be okay with it you know and and just keep improving

Matt: how many times have you told your players to forget about the noise outside yeah right the only thing that matters is us in here and yeah not the opinions of these guys but

Manny: Mm-hmm yeah I mean you just got to go out there like you said slay the dragon baby you know get after that yeah you know and I think as we think about this as we start to close this episode you know I commend all those guys out there coaching right now you know that you've done the job you've put your best product out on the field you know which is gonna be coming up this fall and you know hey we salute you I mean you're busting your tail to do everything you can to show what it is that you believe in is your version of creating that great team that you're gonna create this fall you know and it's not easy it's not easy you know and you've joined an elite fraternity and you know whether you realize it or not

Matt: yeah

Manny: Just coaches in and of themselves are special people and you know we love to you know have the opportunity to talk about these things and apply it to our game you know and I think one thing that's interesting is when the season is over once you have done it's right what you've got to do here is you got to start again before you're ready

Matt: And I actually I think about football season just the year in general as I get this book I mean every week you go through this in season like every week is a new

Manny: every week yeah there's a project every week and that's victory on Friday or Saturday exactly whoever's whatever you're playing right

Matt: and then the offseason is it's it's a grind and a you don't know what's what doesn't like that word

Manny: Oh coach Kelly

Matt: Coach Kelly doesn't like that but it's a grind in the off season for recruiting and everything but that's another book beginning middle and end and we're looking closer to the end now on that part of it but then summer comes around there's another beginning middle and end going into camp and that's my night so

Manny: yeah so hopefully everybody enjoyed our analysis and application of steven pressfield's do the work I just want to basically read the final statement in the book here that is from Martin Luther King jr. and Beyond Vietnam a time to break silence this was written in 1967 April 4th in New York City where he said it “We are now faced with the fact my friends that tomorrow is today we are confronted with the fierce urgency of now in this unfolding conundrum of life and history there is such a thing as being too late procrastination is still the thief of time life often leaves us standing bare naked and dejected with a loss of opportunity the tide in the affairs of men does not remain a flood it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words too late” and that my friends is do the work by Steven Pressfield I'll be back to wrap this episode up with some tips and reminders


Manny: Now it's time for some tips and reminders where we wrap up each episode with some information that you can utilize in your approach to optimize your life that a lot of this stuff is really just insights of things I've gotten over the years and learned from so many different people that can help you and here's one of the things that I enjoy that helps my productivity and and what it is it's designing structure in your day by utilizing or we're going to call work day rituals and a work day ritual by definition is something that you booked into your day from the beginning of the day and how you wrap up your day at the end and by having the same thing done on a regular basis to start your day up you can make sure that you're moving forward in the right direction to accomplish what you need to get done and so forth so the first thing I do is a workday startup and it happens in the morning as I get rolling into the day but I always make sure I do this and it takes like 30 minutes to do this and and there's like six steps to this the very first part of the workday start-up goes like this I process my inboxes to zero and that means your email which would be your digital in boxes and your physical inboxes because we still have mail and certain things coming through anything that shows up digital or physical I process that to zero so it goes down and everything is handled and what is interesting to me is when I started doing this it's like in handling emails and so forth if I could do it within two minutes then I handled it right then in this if not then I would have to set it into an action item box that I could work on later and some designated time so I could fly through the emails and make sure that I could give the appropriate response as part of my startup and then the second thing I do is I check an app called slack where I can respond to various conversations there's different channels and within the football program about various topics that we're working on if there's something I need to respond to I respond to that as part of my work they start up

then the third thing I do is I review the days calendar in advance any types of meetings and so forth I may have and then I go through in the fourth step I review my goals and those are my annual goals of things that I do prior to every year when I said here's my top goals that I'm doing so I go through those whatever it might be, nine to twelve goals for the big big goals I have for the year and I review those and then I go into what is called my task manager and I have a specific software that I go in and log different projects and tasks into that and I update it and making sure that I'm good to go for what may be coming up for that particular day and then I wrap up my my work they start up with something I called finalizing my my big three for the day so what are the three most important things that I can do to make progress on my goals or projects for the day that as long as I get those three things done then I've made significant progress moving forward and that is my work they start up now at they on the back end of the day whenever that might be depending up if it's after practice and so forth during the season or you know whatever the day shows up I have what I call my work day shutdown routine and it works like this it starts off number one process my inbox to zero then I check slack again so I'm not checking it throughout the day I just check at the beginning and the end in this shutdown period so I check slack respond to the conversations then the third thing I do is I intentionally procrastinate unfinished tasks there's certain things that I might have had in there that are tasks then I move them forward to the next day or where they belong from that standpoint and then number four of the work they shut down is I process notes from the day's meeting so if I'm in a different meeting and so forth I always tag with a little box of something that needs to get done or something needs to be delegated and I process those forward and and put those in the right spot so they don't get lost in the shuffle again and then the next thing I do is step five where I determine in advance the next day's big retask so just like I did in the morning where I set it up for the day these are the things that I am basically deciding that most likely as I move forward the next day these will be the big three tasks but I don't put those in pen when I write it in I mean those are some things that could change overnight when I get rolling the next morning and then the last step of my workday shut down routine is I clean my office environment I make sure things are cleared out and everything is basically taken care of so I can come in fresh ready to go the next day and this all takes about 45 minutes so 30 minutes for the the workday startup 45 minutes for the shutdown I try to make sure that everything is bookended in my day in that particular way so that those are our tips and reminders for this episode! Thank you for joining us on the Manny Matsakis show if you're listening to this podcast make sure to subscribe in iTunes give us a rating comment on the show if you're watching this on our YouTube channel you can subscribe to the YouTube channel by hitting the bell so you can get notifications when we release the next show so every time we have a new show you'll get a little ping and let you know that that's the case and you can feel free to comment below on this specific show if you'd like to get all kinds of updates go to the website will you be able to be up-to-date on all of our podcasts with audio and video versions you'll be able to see feature blog posts as they're posted and you'll get those alerts so just take a minute and subscribe with your email to receive regular alerts every time we update the website all right so that is the intro in the outro for that okay and then the next one.

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