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Episode 10: Bill Bedenbaugh (University of Oklahoma)

Interview with Bill Bedenbaugh

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On this episode of the show, Manny has a great interview with Bill Bedenbaugh, the Offensive Line Coach and Co-Offensive Coordinator at the University of Oklahoma. They discuss Bill’s experience and growth throughout his career, as well as coaching the offensive line position. Everything from recruiting, developing players, and running the offensive line room, get ready to learn some great stuff from Manny and Bill!

(00:00)- Intro

Manny: This is the Manny Matsakis Show with me, Manny Matsakis. Where you will gain insight on how to win on the field and optimize your life. This is episode number 10. In This interview that I did at the American football coaches Association convention in Nashville, I speak with Bill Bedenbaugh. Bill is the Co-offensive coordinator and offensive line coach for the Oklahoma Sooners. Coach Bedenbaugh has established himself as one of the nation's top developers of offensive lineman, you can basically understand that if you've just been following the Oklahoma Sooners. his units have been behind some of the most prolific offensive production in NCAA history. Bill and I worked together at Texas Tech. He was a graduate assistant of ours. On the first staff of Mike Leach, and has worked his way up in this profession in a remarkable way. I just want to let you know that I really appreciate Coach Bedenbaugh’s humble nature, the way he's worked his way up from the small college ranks and has a true respect of what's being done at those levels, and he's a great mentor to anybody out there that just wants to keep getting better. When it comes to offensive line and leadership in general. Please enjoy this episode because I surely did enjoy getting caught up with Bill.

Alright welcome Bill, how's it going man?

(01:35)- Bill Bedenbaugh

Bill: It's going good man, good to see you again, it’s been a long time.

Manny: It has, it has. You know, it's sort of funny in the intro I was giving theem all the Accolades, all the things you've done since, since we were first together in Lubbock. I just remember first meeting you there. that you came in and you came as our Grad Assistant-

Bill: Yup.

Manny: and you what I think is interesting. One place I want to go with this podcast is, you have tremendous small college experience. And you're coaching at the highest level. And obviously we'll get into, maybe, that you’re arguably one of the finest technicians in the country at the position. And, but you know you had a really good, small college experience. You played at Iowa Wesleyan.

Bill: Yeah.

Manny: Alright. Who was your O-line coach?

Bill: Oh, well I had four or five. Mike Leach was the first one. Oh yeah I did and it really helped me in the profession because I had four line coaches and I had four head coaches.

Manny: Yeah, wow!

Bill: Guys kind of moved around and did different things so I got to know a lot of people and it was a great experience for me and I wouldn't trade it, it made me what I am today.

Manny: Yeah. There's no doubt, I just always thought that we first met you know flashing back and forth on this, it was like, you're so humble about things but you were grounded in what you knew that you were doing and what I also thought was interesting is, obviously Mike brought you in. And, but it was like here you were, you weren't just an Air Raid guy, you know?

Bill: 3:16

No, no and I came from Farris State.

Manny: That’s right. Power.

Bill: It was a D2 school. It was a great school. You know, we ran the ball much more than we did at Tech and more than Leach does so. Then I was at Central Michigan, where I was a GA for Mike Cummings so i think it was one of the best oline coaches in the country and we did a bunch of different things there you know we ran option, you know obviously power, counter you know ran a bunch of different things. Drop back/ play action so I was exposed to a lot of different things and then obviously would lead to what you’re gonna do? You’re gonna drop back and throw for 50 or 60 you know? It is what it is and that’s what you do.

Manny: 3:51

But you did it as a player, you got it, you totally got it, then you were at Valdosta.

Bill: Yeah, yeah.

Manny: Which is an interesting deal in and of itself.

(04:01)- Bill Bedenbaugh First coaching job

Bill: Great place there. I was at Panhandle. I started at Panhandle State.

Manny: Okay.

Bill: In Guyman, Oklahoma out in the panhandle my first job, lived in the dorm and got like 300 bucks a month, you know what I mean? But I'll tell you what, it just helps you become a better coach, really. I wasn't really ready for it quite honestly. I coached oline but only another guy did and then some things happened and by the end of the season I was doing it by myself but you know heck. There you cut grass. You do the fields, you do laundry, you mop the weight room floors, you drive the van. You know what I mean, you do everything and I just thought that’s how it was.

Manny: Yeah.

Bill: I mean you just don't know any different, but I mean I think it makes you a better coach.

Manny: Oh without question and then, so you're at Valdosta, you know, you guys had a hell of a run.

Bill: Yeah.

Manny: I mean really.

Bill: Yeah we should have won national championship that year. We got beat by Carson Newman, it was a torrential downpour and you know we threw the ball all the time and I can't, I think they beat us like 24-17, we just threw an interception on it but anyway I mean we should have won, I thought.

Manny: Still haunts you?

Bill: It does. To this day I think we should’vce won the whole thing. I thought we had the best team then, we were good.

Manny: Yeah

Bill: I mean Carson was-

Manny: An option team.

Bill: Yeah.

Manny: Yeah, I remember that.

Bill: You know just the game fit and the weather fit what they were doing.

Manny: Sure. So, Hal moves on, and Mike and they go to Kentucky.

Bill: Yeah.

Manny: So you're left a little bit in a lurch there.

Bill: I actually went with them. I was actually just working in recruiting, I was off the field, and I didn't really want to do that so I was only there for I want to say three or four months before I went to Central Michigan so they just didn’t have an on the field position. I mean they had everything filled so it was good. I thought it was pretty good. I worked in recruiting with Todd Bassett.You know, got to learn a lot about how to recruit that level so it was good experience but just wasn’t what I wanted to do so.

(05:44)- Working Together at Texas Tech

Manny: I can see that, I mean you’re a ball coach, that’s what you want to do. Coach the big guys up front. So When you came to Lubbock, you, Robert, and I ran the offensive line together. And, you know, Rob, good dude!

Bill: Great dude! You know his son’s actually coaching at Texas A&M Commerce.

Manny: Is he really? Okay wow! Now he, you know, he had been a you know he'd been in the system, at least a passing system at BYU. He was on the national championship team at BYU as an O-lineman. And you guys, but he hadn't been in the Air Raid.

Bill: Yeah no. Right, he played in it at BYU but that was it.

Manny: And how did you guys get along and coach together and all that? Because There was a lot of, I mean myself being there with you guys. I saw you guys team coaching that and I mean it wasn't like, I’m the GA and he’s the guy. It was like you guys just split them up in different ways. Doing that, how’d that work?

Bill: Yeah, Robert was awesome. He's a great guy, great coach and he gave me a lot of responsibilities, I mean he let me run meetings which you generally don’t do as a GA. Do you know what I mean? So I really really appreciate what he did for me, and that’s what I try to do with my guys or a GA. Get them Prepared. I think as a coach that’s what we're trying to do. Get these guys prepared the best, not just your players but the guys that GA too.

Manny: Yeah

Bill: You know, preparing those guys to really coach at a high level.

Manny: Yeah

(06:43)- Preparing to coach at a high level

Bill: I think that's your job, you know, and I was fortunate for Mike Cummings, when I was a GA for Robert, and I. Two of the best guys out there that really shaped me in what I do and I was very very fortunate to coach with those guys.

Manny: Yeah. Robert now is the offensive coordinator at Virginia-

Bill: Virginia.

Manny: Yeah, he’s doing a great job there.

Bill: Yeah big time.

Manny: Real quality guy!

Bill: Yeah I love him a lot.

Manny: And you can say that this profession is sort of interesting. You don't realize as a young coach who's working their way up the profession, just the influence that guys that you work with on either side of the ball. How you can impress those guys. And then next thing you know you're landing in the next job or you at least have an opportunity for more jobs.

Bill: Right. No doubt. I mean I was fortunate I mean, you know, off our first staff, I mean you look, it's pretty amazing how much. I think there were six, I mean obviously you, but I think there were six guys that went on to be head coaches at the Division 1 level. I mean me and Dave Randle were GA’s together. I mean Dave’s one of the best DC’s in the country you know at LSU. And that’s what I tell young guysyou know, and it’s hard to know that, I didn’t know that, going to Texas Tech I knew I was gonna go there no matter who was there but it really helped me because all those guys were on to be head coaches so I tell my guys, if you get the opportunity, go be on staff with somebody where you think guys are gonna move on to be head coaches.

(07:42)- After Texas Tech

Manny: Yeah, no question, now, after that what Where did you go after Lubbock?

Bill: I went to Arizona with Sunny. Mike Stoops was the head coach when I went to Arizona for I think four years,

Manny: So Sunny was the OC.

Bill: Yeah, Sunny was the OC and Mike Stoops was the head coach. Which was great for me, that’s honestly why I’m at Oklahoma then went to West Virginia with Dana for two years and this will be my, I think eighth season at OU.

(08:02)- Oklahoma University Staff

Manny: Yeah, and you’re with some great guys on that staff. Some of those guys were with us in Lubbock.

Bill: Yeah a lot of them were.

Manny: Yeah you look at everyone, with Lincoln Riley you know the head coach sitting there and Dennis Simmons, Ruffing McNeil.

Bill: I mean, Benny Wylie.

Manny: Oh yeah!

Bill: Caesar Martinez was a player and Bryan Kajan is who I coached at Tech as a strength coach.

Manny: Wow!

Bill: Yeah.

Manny: It’s crazy, it’s like y’all are just moving together and having fun and doing it.

Bill: Yeah, and Lincoln’s awesome man I mean he's as good as it gets and very fortunate and Norman's a great place to live, I mean it's a great place to raise a family and I love Oklahoma, living there. I mean it's close to Dallas so your two and a half hours from Texas, or two hours from Texas, but about two and a half, three hours from Dallas so Oklahoma City is 15 minutes from us so it's a great place. Great place to raise a family.

Manny: Yeah, now and you guys have had tremendous success I mean, you're winning and playing for championships every year.

Bill: Yeah no doubt, you have to there.

Manny: Oh yeah, I know.

Bill: Yeah we don’t have much of a choice.

Manny: Yeah, absolutely. What was it like working for you know when you first got there coach Stoops was there. Bob was.

Bill: Yeah, awesome. I mean he’s obviously everybody knows his record and that speaks for itself.

Manny: He’s a hall of fame coach.

Bill: No doubt but he's one of the best students in the world. I mean he really is. The whole Stoops family is unbelievable. You know I've gotten to know all of them. Obviously Mark and I work together, I’ve worked for Mike, work for Bob, know the brother Ron, know the sisters, You know, their mom is awesome, you know the whole family it's a great family and coach stoops is awesome i mean he let you coach, let you recruit never questioned you that you're responsible, you don't I mean if your players weren't playing well, you were accountable if you weren't getting recruits the right way you held accountable, but they let you do your job, they never, never looked over your shoulder. I mean I'll never forget we signed a two star offensive lineman. You know what I mean? Who I really liked you know and he didn't care. He's like, do you like him? Yeah, I like him. He ended up being a good player for us. Yeah, and a lot of big time places man you can't sign a two star guy. No matter if he's good or not, you know what I mean. The kid ends up starting for us he's a great kid. I'll never forget. He came to two of our camps at Norman, we did a traveling camp at Dallas.

Manny: Okay,

Bill: and just really liked him. But that tells you about coach stoops. I mean he trusts you, and I'm not, I don't know I didn't work for a lot of different people. But I don't know if there's a lot of guys out there that would trust that you know being in a high profile program.

Manny: Because it’s like anymore it just seems like they rate programs on their stars, their recruiting classes so that's like well, that's not always the guys that win, you know?

Bill: yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you gotta go get tough dudes you know what I mean that just love playing football, you know a lot of guys get over recruited and never pan out.

(10:34)-O Line importance

Manny: Well, and that leads me the next, the next question I've got which is always insightful to me to hear guys at different positions, you know, when you're looking at those highschoolers, you know, back in, you know, different junior college, whatever players are looking at to play the offensive line position because out there, what I feel, you know you can agree or disagree is, there is no more important position on the team than the offensive line.

Bill: No, I totally agree.

Manny: Right well and it’s not just because you coach, you know, I've seen defensive coaches Tell me like, Hey, we have great o-line. I've got a better defense, you know, no matter what you can control the game you can do anything you want. We have great O-line, you've coached some fantastic O-lines I mean, your group on the Joe Moore award.

Bill: yeah, two years ago. Yeah I’ve been fortunate you know, it starts with players I mean obviously you got a coach them.

Manny: Well what do you look for?

Bill: Well obviously size you know you gotta have the size I mean you can't play at this level you know being 5’11” and 200lbs. I mean that's just not reality you know so obviously the size and I, I'm not you know I think the guy didn't have to be six foot seven. I mean, we have guys like that yeah but-

Manny: Sure.

Bill: you know, but obviously you could have size and then. To me, the biggest thing, the best that you can do is you got you got to be smart, you gotta be atletic, and you gotta be tough. And those are the three things. If you have those three qualities and truly have them, then it's my job to coach you.

Manny: Yeah.

Bill: I mean, if you're a smart dude, and athletic dude, and tough Dude, you got a chance to be a good O-lineman.

Manny: No doubt and when you get that guy and how do you know, you know,at your level you're giving scholarships you know at the small colleges, your financial aid packages and all this it’s a little different, but in the end you're still evaluating for those desirable traits.

Bill: right

Manny: How do you find out that hey this guy's high in those areas?

(12:10)- Recruiting

Bill: It's not easy. I mean it really isn't. I mean you got to talk to him a lot. You know, you think, and obviously you gotta trust the coach. I mean you know how recruiting is, especially at our level right now is you offer guys so early, i mean you have to. you don't I mean just to get in the game so it's tough to find that out and know 100% for sure. So you just gotta trust the coaches, you know what I mean you got to go talk to people at the school teachers, principals, counselors, whatever and try to do the best you can. It's not easy. I’m not saying it’s easy. I mean just, and you got to offer these kids so early to get in the game.

Manny: How early are they offered?

Bill: You know, we offer sophomores.

Manny: Geez!

Bill: Yeah, We have to. But it’s just, I won't offer a kid, unless I want him to commit. you know we don't do that. The whole non commitment thing. I don’tt even know what that is. If you can't commit, then there’s not an offer.

Manny: That’s a good point.

Bill: So, again we may be a little bit slower, just because I don't play that game. But I've offered freshmen

Manny: Really

Bill: You know not necessarily my right, now but who knows you don't know but you see a guy at that age and you think okay this is what he's going to be. You offer him.

Manny: So now you brought in that he's got all the characteristics, he comes in the door and then you've got a whole group of offensive linemen you have on your roster?

Bill: On scholarship/ walk on, 18.

Manny: 18

Bill: Maybe 20.

Manny: So 18- 20 guys you're working with, and they're all at different levels. Now their skill level depending on their ability to bend their knees and stuff like that, you know, what is it you do when you first get them. I mean they're raw.

Bill: Yeah,

Manny: I mean they're all raw I mean I've never, maybe you have I've never seen an offensive lineman come in ready to play. The first day.

Bill: No

Manny: You know, I've seen running backs. You know other positions-

Bill: You may have to play and we've had to start freshmen-

Manny: Sure

Bill: they weren't ready.

Manny: No I mean I don't

Bill: I mean I don't know many, there may be three to four guys like that at our level in the country.

Manny: Sure.

Bill: That doesn't mean I'm not playing. Even if we're playing they still may not be ready. You may be forced to play and we had to a couple years ago.

Manny: So what do you do, what do you think, what is your thought process from a drills and skills fundamental process in your particular system, you know at Oklahoma. What do you do with those guys?

Bill: I it's more mental than anything in the beginning, you know, teaching them, I test them, you know I give them, we expect our guys to know everything formation, fronts, coverages, all those things so I start out, you know I give them attached information to see what they know what they've studied and where they're at, you know, and then I have drawn the board for us, you know hey I see this formation this front this coverage, draw this play up there and draw everything up and, you know, and then it's all mental at the beginning and then we just go with the basic techniques, because just slightly just teaching them how to move a certain way. You know what I mean if I'm if I'm going to the left, driving off my right foot if I'm going to the right driving up my left foot just those drills, the basic drills that teach those movements, because that's, to me that's the most important thing is understanding how to move is key.

Manny: your footwork.

Bill: Exactly, yeah, that's what gets you in position to make a block.

Manny: Oh yeah, yeah. Leverage footwork. How do you get a guy. He's got the always been intrigued by this you got guys like he's got the measurables and all this stuff and how do you get him. Can you develop physical offensive linemen, what do you do to do that.

Bill: I think you can. I think it starts with the culture really I'll tell you what, when I, I was fortunate. It was good when I came in there but when Orlando Brown came my Was it my third year? I think my second or third year. You know what I mean, he kind of, he changed the culture I mean I think you coach it, I think you drill it, I think you instill that toughness and all those things but I think until you get a guy that truly embodies it on your o-line it’s hard, you know what I mean because I may not know what it feels like and what it looks like. And then you get a guy like that and say hey, this is what it looks like.

Manny: 16:02

A model. To show that that is what it looks like. It's funny you say that because like I can think back I mean years ago I was, you know, I was coaching the offense at Hofstra on Long Island. You know, I kept thinking, I gotta teach these guys how to sell out, how to give up their bodies. How to Do you know how to be a complete receiver, you know, and we just didn't have anybody doing it, and then one kid, I don't know if you remember Wayne Chrebet?

Bill: Yeah, played for the Jets.

Manny: Yeah, and it's like then he just started doing it and there's like popcorn this guy was doing it, this guy's doing it, because they had a model of what it was supposed to look like. It looks like you got some great models.

Bill: Yeah, exactly And then it just trickles down. You know, these kids all want to be praised. I'm not, I don't praise them a lot you know what i mean but but when they when they do, when they're tough that's when they play tough and they play physical you know what I mean. And then you start saying hey man that's, that's really good and then this you know these guys all want to get praised, it’s just what we live in, you know, but so then they start doing it and they see what it looks like to be a tough dude how finish blocks and how to play the right way. Yeah, but I think they got to see. I mean you could tell them and you could say this is what it is and this is how you coach it and all those things but until they see it and they have somebody that they can say this is what it looks like it's tough.

Manny: Do you have a, well I mean obviously you've been there long enough and you've got generally every year, you've got upperclassman leaders

Bill: yeah

Manny: you know I mean, so you have those guys. Do you have a way where they can help develop the young guys and, you know, through that how do you do that?

Bill: I probably, I don't know if it's right or wrong I don't coach that much I just, I let the guys be leaders I let the guys know who I think should be leaders. You know what I mean. And then they just do it. I think it's been, you know, it's trickled down you know I say like i said i think it started with Orlando. You know what I mean. And then just kind of trickled down and then the younger guys see it. You know what I mean.

Manny: Sure.

Bill: And then they expect it, you know what I mean, you know, you hear the kids that when you know you've got, I don't know if got them was the right word but you know they say hey man that's not how we play here.

Manny: A “buy in” culture mentality.

Bill: Yeah, this is how we are. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, and you just, I don't I don't, I never really coach that you don't I mean I just, they just do it. They understand the standard.

Manny: That's right, there's a standard you’ve helped set initially, they've got to maintain it right guys work together. You know you. What's interesting is, I've been around some Air Raid guys you know Hal, Mike, and a bunch of others you know like Dana. there's different variations of it out there, you know, I think you guys do. Arguably in my estimation the best job of balancing out the run and pass you're able to, it's almost like a power spread concept right.

Bill: yeah and we adapt you know this year we had Jalen Hurtz, you know, who rush for, now you know Kyler last year rushed for over 1000 yards too but in a different way.

Manny: Okay

Bill: You know Jalen, you know, Rushed for about 1300 yards but we truly ran him. You know what I mean?

Manny: Design

Bill: Yes, you know more and more design runs than we had in the past, you know, we've always had him but we call him more with him. You know what I mean.

Manny: But that's not what we did in Lubbock.

Bill: Oh no, hell, no.

Manny: With Cliff Kingsbury there. We didn't have a design run.

Bill: We had, maybe the draw.

Manny: Yeah but that was it. So, you get that because you had great running backs. I mean, those, you had some great ones like Mixon.

Bill: Yeah. Guys, we’ve had a lot of good ones. Damian Williams, who is playing for the Chiefs.

Manny: Yeah

Bill: I mean, and he you know, gosh, there's a bunch of dudes. guys we got now you know, Kennedy Brooks, and even guys who may not have heard of have been really good-

Manny: productive

Bill: yeah, productive. even if they hadn't gone on to the NFL which most of our guys do.

Manny: Yeah

Bill: but even if they haven't really been good backs for us.

Manny: Yes, so you take this and when you look at the run game. I mean, I know Pass Pro, you would assume, with all the experience you know I've been in lots of systems I get the pass pro. And so for at least conceptually which we can do here but in the run game, what are you looking for as far as schematic what are the things you want to be able to do that is based on the, the running back in the run game? Not QB runs, running, just coming at you, what do you try and do.

Bill: what runs. Obviously changes week to week but it's all about the angles that you can get on guys and how you manipulate them and how you try to make you know runs look the same. That's what we try to do the best we can always have complimentary things, you know off of runs, not just passes but runs a share, same, you know, obviously we've got our play action off runs things like that but you know just split flow inside or outside zone and it's split counter you know just things that you try to the best you can make your backfield action look as close as you can to all the same things just pulling different guys or cutting different guy you know what you know whamming, whatever you want. You know different guys up front, you know, giving them different things that they have to look at and it's. To me it's just based on the angles that you can get. And you know what your players can do this year. I mean we've been a huge counter team, you know past four or five years this year we weren't great at it now some of it was, you know, people started playing differently, that's when they're going to try to stop with us, you know, and that's one thing that they're going to really sell out to stop and we got better at outside zone this year so we ran a little bit more outside zone. So, it changes week to week and changes year to year.

Manny: Now working on the staff, I mean, obviously you're the CO offensive coordinator, you're the offensive line coach and as you guys work together. I know we talked about some of the other assistant coaches on that side of the ball, great coaches and how do you guys throughout the week. How do you work together on preparing for the, for an opponent. What's that look like?

Bill: well we basically what we do is, you know, on Sunday we come in there and we watch the previous game and then we kind of all split up and watch you know the next opponent. So we will do that on our own on Sunday, All day to whatever time and then Monday we get together, you know I mean just go over open field stuff, you know Tuesday morning we get everything basically done. You know the whole scripts would be third and long, third and short, third medium, redzone. Goal line all that stuff and then we'll really focus on Tuesday on third third downs, okay and then Wednesday would be redzone goal line so those are the set obviously open field plays as well. So, and then Lincoln and I will, you know, a lot of times, watch the third short stuff together in the goal line stuff together and you'll get those plays that's kind of the air that you know I deal with the most. So you deal with the third meeting third. If he's running the third third long. Then we obviously have to do those things but short yardage and goal line is where we kind of collaborate the most.

Manny: Yes, now working, you know, with the staff and the head coach being an offensive coach and all with you guys on game day, what is the what are the roles that different guys have on the offensive side.

Bill: Basically what I do is I talk to our GA. He and I are on the same line. I'm not even on the line with the other guys. I don't know what they do but you know then Lincoln will say hey man What do you like what do you not like, we need to keep going and we'll talk to flip over and, you know, or what happened on this play or this or that and then you know just adjustments. I'll talk to him, you know like TCU for example I mean, they hadn't played the three man front really the whole year except for third down and after we score on them I think two drives in a row, they go to a third down, excuse me a three man front, you know, so we had to totally adjust our game plan, you know right there and then we talked and, and then I get out everybody over there and we do this now, and it's stuff that we would run against any three man front. Now, we hadn’t practiced that much. yeah yes it's stuff that we always do against the three man front so you know just things like that and then talking about adjustments.

Manny: Yeah. Now, the Airaid offenses, all have their own idiosyncrasies you know and what, what would you say as far as the because people are always intrigued by the installation process, you know, Mike's getting ready to head to Mississippi State. He's going in and I think I heard him say something like, oh, we'll have it in in a week and the two weeks will be pretty good. How does that work?

Bill: We do it the same as We always have. It’s a two to three day deal. Now we may go a little bit longer because we could we do more stuff than we did back in the Texas Tech days, but we still have all of our base stuff in three days, you know, that's basically what it is, our base stuff in three days

Manny: and then against base looks? Or any looks?

Bill: Yeah, our base plays, you know going to three days and it's all installed and then after that third day it's maybe just a little bit of adjustments and tags and things like that, now it’s tough, I mean it's not easy, but you know I like it. You know what I mean, young guys it's tougher on, you know.

Manny: Yeah you’re putting it all in.

Bill: Yeah, it's against every front, our defense has a lot of shifts in it move in and blitzing and you know it's every it helps us stop stuff in the beginning, just because it's there all over the place and we were really young this year, you know we struggled a lot in spring, because we were young and inexperienced, our center went playing practicing, he had surgery and, but what it did is I think it helped us because we saw every front, yes and every movement that you could possibly see in 15 practices in the spring.

Manny: Gotcha. And it was a new defense, you know, with Alex.

Bill: To help us out we struggled. Yeah, no doubt, but I think it helped us, you know as an offensive line progress, maybe a little bit quicker. Okay, then you would think you would you know just playing against the base honor based format

Manny: Now, what a lot of guys out there and unless you're coaching at that particular level that the rules have changed over the years on what you can do with them. After spring ball, after spring ball up to training camp. What's the demands on the players and coaches. During that time?

Bill: after spring ball?

Manny: Yeah.

Bill: Well they're here all summer but you can't like you get, you can have as a position coach you can have two hours with them. Now whatever you do, but we generally what we do, because there are more we want to look at once a more evolved strength program we get one hour a week

Manny: Okay, and what do you do with that hour?

Bill: It just depends, year by year it's different. This year I did more walking through the watching tape just because we were so young. You know what I mean in years past, I would watch more tape. I mean with experience, guys. This group this year I'll probably do more, you know, watching a tape you know what I mean. We are a little bit more experienced

Manny: Bringing them back in. Okay, so that's how that that's working as you go through. How do you feel about the new rules of training camp giving the guys a day off and remember get back in the days, two a days and way back. Three a days, it was crazy you know so how do you guys deal with that?

Bill: I don’t know. Yeah, we have to meet with them on the day off now.

Manny: Okay,

Bill: You used to not be able to actually, they change so much, I can't remember quite honestly but I think we could still meet with them on the day off, but I don't know you know what I mean I mean I you know, I don’t know.

Manny: I’ve heard some coaches struggle with it. Yes, exactly. Well I mean you're trying to get them ready for the most physical game on the planet, and you're, you're not being physical. And some of them just have so far to go fundamental. Why is it, you hit the season it's like, it's almost like an I don't know, sometimes things almost like maybe you should play two preseason games like the do in the pros or something like that.

Bill: Yeah I agree, you know i mean it's just you're so limited on time. And, you gotta get guys that are gonna put in the time on their own. I mean, you get it, you know, they think that you think the players think you're up there a lot but you're really not for what you have to get done in that short amount of time to play at a high level.

Manny: Sure, and I've always thought was interesting is when I, when I see other sports, I realize like you know in basketball in their offseason the coaches are there working them and you know three on three drills on there got the balls out there doing all this stuff it's like in every other sport in the offseason, they can work, their fundamental drills and skills way more than football, and football is the most complicated sport there is

Bill: Yeah, especially the offensive line.

Manny: Yeah.

Bill: Like you said, and I do agree with it, it's the most important position but it's also in what I agree with. It's the toughest position, because it's so unnatural. You know nothing about playing offensive line is natural, you know, walking around with a white base you don't walk around like that. You don't do that, what you do every day so it's such a it's an unnatural position where most other positions are pretty natural. It's what you do

Manny: but it's happening in such a close space. And I mean for guys out there unless you coached that position or just been right in it. You don't realize the true speed and quickness of those bodies moving in that tackle box. Oh man, and it's fast, it's really fast it's just, you know, like a receiver you think he's fast cuz he runs a you know 4.4/4.3, but you compress it in that, in that deal it's like oh baby the collisions.

Bill: It’s just different worlds. Most people don't know anything about it. I don't say this in a demeaning way but even guys that are really really high quality coaches, at other positions, don't truly understand the offensive line. I mean that they really don't know they can draw up how do you block this shirt front, how do you do this or what's happened in this past protection, but the nuances and the techniques and the fundamentals most people don't have any clue.

Manny: No it is and I remember Mike Leach would say, it's a constant state of correction. It's truly amazing I remember, I don't know if you guys might be listening but you know we used to get the guys that work on Boxing.

Bill: We don’t do it much anymore. And I think all sports are really, I used to really like it. I just think it's boxing. I don't mind the boxing.

Manny: Sure.

Bill: I mean I think it's good for hands but I think it is totally different. Navigating just truly innocent there's some good things with it like I think every sport helps you play football. To whatever it is, movements motion how's it gonna directly translate to be an offensive lineman someone, you know, but ya know, I used to love it but we don't really do it anymore.

Manny: And I think in Lubbock we needed it at that point. To get Guys to compete more. I was working on getting them to compete every day

Bill: But I thought it was really good for us. And I do think there's some carryover. But the movements of what I teach are different than anything you’re gonna see in like, boxing.

Manny: Yeah, exactly. I can see that. Do you see any other things like if you're working or, and I'm sure you get the high school coaches ask, what can I do with my young guys to get them to improve. And they’re 15 years old trying to get through high school, what would you recommend to these guys and even if they're never gonna play for you. It doesn't matter there's so many opportunities for kids to play college football.

Bill: No doubt, i think you got to constantly work on strength and movement. You know what I mean? Those are two things to me that are really, really important. And in learning the game. really truly studying and learning, watch things, watch NFL tape, watch other colleges, watch other high schools. And study it. Don't just watch it.

Bill: If their running this front and this play. Okay, what is the tackle doing, What's the guard doing, What's the center doing, what are the combination blocks look like, what is this guy, this good player, I have my guys watching the NFL tape. This is what a good player looks like. This is how you do whatever combination block.This is how you do it, This is what it should look like. I think just, you know, size, not size. Excuse me, strength, movement. And then just learning, truly learning.

Manny: Now, you alluded to the National Football League, there's Fantastic offensive line coaches there Working with those guys. You know you watch the NFL film. Who Would you look at right now that says, hey, these guys are great. O-line coaches or they consistently create fantasticoffensive lines.

Bill: You know, it’s kinda weird because it changes year by year like Paul Alexander I got to know him, I thought, you know obviously Howard Mudd, even though he’s not really coaching right now I think the guy for the Eagles does a really good job. The guy at the 49ers. The 49ers have a really good o line. That’s an o line that I study now. And I don’t even know who the coach is quite honestly.

Manny: The film is good.

Bill: The film is good and What they're doing is really good. So, the Cowboys are obviously a really good offensive line to get a bunch of really good players. but itchanges, it really does. Just because guys move around you like San Francisco, where they won two or three days, last year or whatever.

Manny: Got a new coach.

Bill: One year it's like a totally different team So that stuff just changes year by year.

Manny: Now, in this profession, we talk a lot about how to win on the field. These are the things that matter but it's also part of it is coaching football, The words the grind. It’s demanding, Especially if someone has a family, and so forth. You know, your family situation, children. That kind of deal. How do you balance that stuff out?

Bill: It’s really hard. You gotta have a good wife.

Manny: And you do! You better say that, she’s listening.

Bill: She knows it. And you have to because it’s hard! As much as you want to try to balance. I try to balance it with my time off.

Manny: Okay.

Bill: that's when I because it's hard during the season, as much as you want to. It's hard, you know what I mean I mean you're preparing to win a game, you know, and you know obviously when you have young kids I've got a nine and a seven so they're older, you know what I mean, but you know, hell, a lot of times you leave before they're up and your home when you're sleeping. So it's, it's just you know it's tough, you know, but I try to do it the best I can. In the offseason, you know like now.

Manny: like what do you do, what do you do in the offseason I mean what do you try to do, so they know.

Bill: You know, go to their games. Go watch them, go pick them up from school, I was fortunate enough to do that last week because we had a little bit of time off. So, you know, you just go get them at school and then obviously in the summertime we go take vacations, we go visit family, or wherever we go. you know what I mean, but just, you know, just being there with them.

Manny: How about marriage wise? How do you handle the dynamic? Because in this profession I've talked about this to other coaches that are married, it's, it's a profession where there are a lot of divorces. Yeah, you know, I mean I've been through that. It's not easy. And how do you keep it going. You know what do you do?

Bill: You got to be in a good place, like our place is really good. You know we have family night, every other Tuesday.

Manny: Okay.

Bill: Where our family comes up our kids come up and we all eat together, our wives can go on every road trip, you know, Lincoln, you know, takes them, you know, if they want to go on any road trip which the only place I've ever been is here, that's done that. Most places don't do that now, so they can go with us. And again, they gotta understand, you know, you gotta marry someone, that's why I got married later in life.

Manny: Yeah,

Bill: I mean you know cuz they gotta really understand what it's what the what the profession is about. And it's tough it's, like you said,

Manny: and I think she's got a few people out there don't might not realize, but she has a family environment to understand the game of football. Right.

Bill: Yeah. No doubt.

Manny: You know, who is she related to that’s in the profession?

Bill: Well, it's not really, it’s Seth. I mean there's some, you know, my. Let me see my wife's brother is married to Seth Luttrell’s sister

Manny: Yeah, so that’s her brother in law.

Bill: Yeah, yeah.

Manny: Okay, so she knew Yeah, in essence what's going on

Bill: yeah no doubt and we were together for a few years and I was in Arizona and she was still in Oklahoma.

Manny: Okay.

Bill: So I mean, she understood.

Manny: Yes.

Bill: I mean she was around it. Got what it was going to entail.

Manny: Yeah, and that's important how, you know, another thing that I have struggled with at times in this profession is. And I say it all the time. You know some guys can just like work out and train and stay in great shape all the time you see those guys. And then other other guys are-

Bill: Like me.

Manny: Yeah, six pack abs, a little bit you know so you know what, what do you do to take care of the stress of the game you know because it's there.

Bill: It’s hard man. You know I'm an up and down, you know, it is.

Manny: It’s common.

Bill: Yeah, I mean it's just like I can, I can get motivated for a couple months, you know what I mean and work out and do all that. But what I've come to realize and I think it's helped me, you know is obviously you gotta win, and you want to win and nobody is, you know, there's very few people that want to win more than me and are more competitive sure and I know there's a lot of people out there but the thing that you can take comfort in is just knowing that hey you did the best job you could you want to coach them the best that you can. You what I mean? and whatever happens happens.

Manny: Yeah, the product is out there. Go.

Bill: Yeah, go play, you mean and is it, is it stressful. Yeah. Does it suck losing yeah i mean you know and fortunately, we don't much, but you know, it's just, you know, just take comfort in knowing that you did the best job you could because, you know, and that's, that's kind of where I've gotten to you know and it's weird, it took me to get to Oklahoma, to be like that. At a place where you know you got to win.

Manny: Yeah, the mean and pressures there

Bill: Yeah, but you know what are you going to do to win? coaching the best you can and whatever happens happens.

Manny: Yeah,

Bill: You know what I mean, and if you do that, you can be, you can be fine, I'm fine. Yeah, and it sucks if you don't work as hard as you can, or a player, you know like players I tell them the same thing, you know, I mean go prepare the best that you possibly can. And whatever happens happens.

Manny: Yeah.

Bill: If you do that, what can you do?

Manny: No question. Yeah,

Bill: just don't have any regrets.

Manny: Yeah. No, leave it all on the field as they say.

Bill: yeah.

Manny: Bill I'll tell you what I really appreciate you coming on this podcast

Bill: I appreciate you.

Manny: for sure you know yeah and it's been a pleasure to know you over the years and work with you and it's good do we learn from each other in so many ways. Hopefully everybody out there understands this is these are insights you get on how to win on the field, optimize your life and do some things but after this. I'll be right back and give you our tips and reminders on some things that you can do, or choose to do that can help you out in different areas of your life but thanks again Coach.

Bill: Thanks again, I appreciate it.

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